[Shovah]

Hey guys, after all of the Cool Nids stuff I wanted a army Like Space Marine, But I didn't like Space Marines lol, so I am starting chaos!

Here Want I am going to buy first:
CODEX: Chaos Space Marines

I plan on going Undivided, I want mainly a infantry army, with some daemon support here and there. So does anyone have any ideas? I got 60$ US Dollars right now, but going to be doing LOTS of chores soon, so going to get around 120$.

My main ememys are: Tau, Blood Angels, Nids, Chaos (I think World Bearers.)

Thanks
Shovah

[Fallen Angel]

well if you want to mainly infantry and use daemons, go with a load of infiltrating marines. With the basic CSM box set, you can get a lot of that done.

For a basic list, id suggest a havoc squad with heavy bolters, a couple of normal CSM squads with a champion with a powerfist, 2 plasma guns and infiltrate on them, and then some daemons to summon off them. Bloodletters, daemonettes, mounted daemonettes and furies are regarded as the better daemons in that area. Then throw in some anti-tank in the form of either lascannons and/or autocannons and a HQ to infiltrate with the two CSM squads and you have about 1000pts. Hope that helps.

[MalVeauX]

Hey man

As you know, $60 and even $120 won't get you very far when starting a new army from scratch. However, here's some tips:

1 - Daemons are very, very expensive to buy. You get very few metal models for a high price. Not a budget unit at all. However, you can convert them from other models if you wish, to save costs. A good example of this, is to buy a box of Chaos Beastmen and thus making 20 Blood Letters for cheaper than buying a box of 10 metal actual blood letters. It's more difficult to replace the other daemons though with alternatives unless you create your own. So keep that in mind, before you plan on having daemons. They're not money friendly at all and require you to have a core army to begin with since they must be summoned by something that will survive to turn 2 and 3.

2 - Chaos Marines, the boxed set, are pretty much a huge boon to you for a budget. They're plastic and come with lots of great options. To top it off, Chaos Space Marines can get so many different options and their points are just very flexible for you. A box can go anywhere from 112 points to more than 230 very easily depending on how you equip them. I will explain more on this later (*).

3 - Vehicles are not budget friendly as they're low point and high priced for your cash. I would start by avoiding them all together and focus on getting marines.

Planning an Undivided army is a good idea. Unless you really like Cults or are into a particular Legion. Though don't over look the Undivided Legions... Alpha Legion, Night Lords, Iron Warriors and Word Bearers have a lot of fun options to help you out and they're undivided.

If fighting Tau, you will definitely want more marines than anything else. You can also easily outshoot Tau you will find, if you wish to do this.

Fighting the blood angles is also a fun endeavor you'll discover, as you can be stronger in combat with a few key upgrades.

Fighting the Tyranid will be a great game. You can definitely shoot them down or beat them in combat. All is well.

And fighting Chaos vs. Chaos is always interesting, but personally, power armor vs power armor just isn't all that fun. But you'll have a good time here too (especially if facing against Word Bearers!).

(*) Buying into this kind of heavy marine force, without vehicles, while focusing on shooting and close combat hybrid elements is an easy to thing to do. Consider the following:

(A) A boxed set of Chaos Space Marines includes 8 models total. This box includes enough bits to have bolters or CCW/Bolt Pistols and also contains an Aspring Champion sprue, which contains power weapon, power fist and extra head/body bitz. It also contains a weapon sprue, which includes a single Plasma Gun, a single Heavy Bolter and a single Plasma Pistol (wow!). And finally you have the Mutation Sprue, which will allow you to add extra mutated limbs to your models or different heads to your models to make them look mutated (which is how you create the Elite Possessed). I would advise you avoid Possessed to start though, because they're mighty expensive on the points early on.

Now, if you were to buy two boxes of this ($60) you would have 16 Marines, 2 Plasma Guns, 2 Plasma Pistols and 2 Heavy Bolters. These can be separated to make different units with different purposes. For example 1 unit of marines with 2 plasma guns for fire support; 1 unit of heavy havocs with the 2 heavy bolters for ranged fire support; and 1 unit of assault oriented marines with the plasma pistols so they can fire and charge on the go. The aspiring champions of course, can be used to represent a squad champion, or you could even use the bits to make your own little Chaos Lt. for an HQ with the spare bitz.

With $120, you have much better choices: 4xBoxes of Chaos Space Marines! This will give you a complete start on your army. This will require very little in the way of buying extras for a hefty buy in cost while getting quite a bit:

32 Marines.
4xPlasma Guns (enough for 2 plasma teams--combined with tank hunter vet skills, can kill vehicles, etc)
4xPlasma Pistols (enough for 2 assault teams to have plasma backing them up while they move)
4xHeavy Bolters (a perfect way to make a heavy support havoc team for major anti-infantry support)

You also have enough bits to have several Asp. Champions for the assault oriented squads, and lots of left over bitz to make either elite Possessed or simply make your HQ unit (Chaos Lt. or Lord) from the excess bitz (which will be plenty).

I would suggest however, that you consider a side purchase of a few extra models, including a single lascannon marine or two, or as an alternative, a single autocannon or missile launcher marine or two. They will add a huge amount of anti-tank punch that you will need.

From here, you can easily use marks and veteran skills to accomplish everything else for a pretty good price, giving you upwards of 3 troops and a heavy support (or even an elite) as well as your HQ. You could easily work up to the 750 point levels with that, without upgrading too much and hurting your army.

Cheers!

[Shovah]

Thanks for the Help guys!

(The Word Bearers are really World Eaters)

I think I will go with the 4xBoxs of Chaos Marines, but I found I really like the fluff to Word Bearers. Can I use the parts in the boxs to make a Dark Apostle? I also liked to have 9 troop choices > It fits with a Infertry army. After A Close Combat army like Nids I want more of a Shooty army. I was also thinking of getting the Chaos Space Marine Rhino With Squad thing, but I want to hear what you guys say about it. What are the colors for the Word Bearers?

Thanks
Shovah

[MalVeauX]

Originally Posted by Shovah

Thanks for the Help guys!

(The Word Bearers are really World Eaters)

I think I will go with the 4xBoxs of Chaos Marines, but I found I really like the fluff to Word Bearers. Can I use the parts in the boxs to make a Dark Apostle? I also liked to have 9 troop choices > It fits with a Infertry army. After A Close Combat army like Nids I want more of a Shooty army. I was also thinking of getting the Chaos Space Marine Rhino With Squad thing, but I want to hear what you guys say about it. What are the colors for the Word Bearers?

Thanks
Shovah

Word Bearers are definitely an option. You can use them to get more Troops and you don't have to use Daemons if you don't want to and it's just as fluffy not to.

A Dark Apostle is just a Chaos Lt. or Chaos Lord, rule wise, and there is no actual model specifically for it. It's up to you to model your own basically. And yes, you will have plenty to work with in extra bitz with your boxes of CSM. Though personally, I'd suggest an alternative model. Perhaps look at the Special Character Fabius Bile, or some of the Fantasy "Champions" as you can find some cheaper and nicer models in Fantasy sometimes to represent the leaders in your armies more uniquely.

If you want shooty, you will definitely enjoy the heavy bolters and plasma that you will wrack up. I would highly suggest autocannons as well, as the more big dice you roll the better!

Getting the combo deal with the Rhino, may lose you some bitz. Also, while the Rhino is a nice addition to the army for mobility, know that you can buy infiltration for your units for cheaper than the Rhino. The rhino is a nice bonus though if you can afford it. I didn't mention it simply because rhinos are expensive models for very few points in the game, which makes it hard to start a decent army on a very tight budget. I'd suggest you get far more marines with small budget rather than losing 1/3rd of your budget to get a single Rhino in there. Infiltration doesn't cost you money and is cheap to use in the game all the same.

In the codex, the Word Bearers are shown as an odd Red color, ink washed to be a tad more purplish (very red looking purple basically) with silver trim. Though remember: you can make them any color you want. You don't have to follow GW's "color scheme" for example. Your Word Bearers can only be renamed to something you like better, any name you want. Just use the rules and you're fine. As for painting, paint them however you like best. Renaming and making your own custom army is much easier in Chaos, because nothing is absolutely required, except that the rules be held legal. The rest is cosmetic and easily changed to your whim. Make a unique one and enjoy your own chapter comprised of what you like and give it fluff that you prefer.

Cheers!

[Shovah]

This Model looks good also http://store.us.games-workshop.com/s...889&GameNav=13

Thats cool that I can play with my own colors! I thougth I had to stick to the basic colors :P From hearing what You said, I dont think I will get the rhino thing.

For Fabius Bile I can replace the arms with a sword, and plasma Pistol!

So I am looking at:
Codex: 20$
4x Marine Boxs: 100$
Fabius Bile/Champions: 10$

Total: 140$ (Taxs, etc)

Looks good!

[ShadowDeth]

Yeah it's a nice model, however with some very minor conversion work you can turn a chaos marine into your champ. Reposition arms, make a crozius, etc.

I personally made mine out of an old Cypher model I traded for. Cut an arm off, made tentacles, cut the hand off his right hand, made a daemonic talon and inserted the sword he comes with into it. Made some skeletal wings, painted him up and I was good to go.

Cost = 0. As opposed to 10 bucks for that model. Looks more unique as well.

World bearers are an interesting army choice, and give you plenty of options in regards to troops - and that's where it's really at with 40k. Malveaux's idea of using beastmen as bloodletters is a great option if you wish to pursue them, but playing 20 dents your point total quite a bit. That might be your intent though, with a small collection.

Now my question is, I play a lost and the damned army. Looking to make some quick cash for the mutation bits that come with chaos marine boxes? I will pay you 50% retail for them, and cover shipping (10$ + shipping) and that could lead towards more marines for yourself. >

I'm sorry, but I had to offer. I love those thing so much, and if you don't see yourself using them to "mutant" up your troops, then we both win. :P

[Shovah]

I think thats possible, first I got to make the money to buy the boxes first

[Shovah]

OK I can not deidce on what model I am going to use for a Dark Dark Apostle. so...

#1
http://www.scifigenre.com/itemDetail...&nItemID=21757

#2
http://www.scifigenre.com/itemDetail...&nItemID=13120

#3
http://www.scifigenre.com/itemDetail...&nItemID=13119

[Ares]

Welcome to the Dark Side Shovah!

My tip concerning building CSM infantry forces is this: The Khorne Berserkers plastic box! Personally I have always hated them on account of the huge windbreakers on top of their helmets, but I have found that if you clip them off and then file away the residue, those helmets are actually some of the awesomest design GW have ever produced! If you mix these parts with Plastics from the "regular" CSM box set you get a range of very varied, dynamically posed troopers. They are also 12 to a bow, so you get some extra warriors there for you money.

The Berserkers have a lot of Khorne Icons on their armour, but this can easily be filed away, or just left as it is as it actually blends in quite well with the rest of all the skulls and dark symbols etc.

Another thing to be considered is that they come armed with pistols and chainswords/axes only (with some plasma pistols thrown in for fun's sake, two per box I think), but this means that together with the pistols from the regular CSM box, you can build a lot of warriors using twin bolt pistols!

So this is a good option if you want some good CC troops for your army.