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Old 06 Jun 2010, 15:53   #91 (permalink)
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1) it say it cant fire them on its own. Not that it doesn't fire them at all.

2) sorry, your conclusion were implied, not the special rles themselves. MT explained my point clearer
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Old 06 Jun 2010, 17:21   #92 (permalink)
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How about we use a different tactic and try to solve this problem using fluff.
The Archeotech spearhead is where a vehicle has been modified to make it more powerful.
If the Earth caste decide to modify a skyray then are they;
1) Going to just modify the drone weapons (SMS/burst cannons ect.)
or 2) Going to modify the primary weaponry on the skyray which is the seeker missiles (of course they're the primary weapons, there's on point in the skyray if it doesn't have seekers.)

If we look at it like this, its fairly obvious the Earth caste would be improving the seeker missiles.

We can't just look at RAW because if we did then; Tyranids could take a Baneblade, Tau could take a Stompa and the Space Marines could take a Manta because there is nothing saying that it has to be from that army, just that it must come from an Apocalypse book.
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Cammerz is correct here; RAW is wrong. The rules are intended to upgrade and/or apply to the Skyray's weaponry, and the Seeker Missiles are indeed its main weapons.
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Old 06 Jun 2010, 18:07   #94 (permalink)
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I agree entirely that the intent of the rule is very clear. I think it's very dangerous RAW to be claiming that Skyray get the +1 strength but not the resulting negative effect because they're not the one to technically fire it.
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Old 06 Jun 2010, 23:33   #95 (permalink)
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I would have to agree, otherwise we could get that nasty situation I talked about (I forgot to whom, but I thought it was Jayne) where another unit would suffer the penalties (which wouldn't make much sense).

Sadly, this still kills the archeotech for me. Stunned/Shaken is the death knell for our ships, once we're grounded, it's only a matter of time to zero in, especially if the opponent is ignoring the cover saves we can get. XP
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I would have to agree, otherwise we could get that nasty situation I talked about (I forgot to whom, but I thought it was Jayne) where another unit would suffer the penalties (which wouldn't make much sense).

Sadly, this still kills the archeotech for me. Stunned/Shaken is the death knell for our ships, once we're grounded, it's only a matter of time to zero in, especially if the opponent is ignoring the cover saves we can get. XP
Well on the Hypothetical that i was right. If a non vehicle mounted Marker fired the Missile, then neither unit COULD suffer the penalty. If a Vehicle Mounted Marker called for the Missile, then that vehicle would suffer the damage rather than the Skyray.

But as it has been "proved" I'm wrong, so hey ho, never mind.
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Jayne was saying hypothetically Seth.
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