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Old 11 Mar 2010, 04:57   #1 (permalink)
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I just now noticed this.

Why is caffeine the exception to the "ie" spelling rule? For those of you who know it, sing it with me,

"i before e, except after c, and when sounding in 'a', as in neighbor and weigh."

So, why is caffeine the exception?
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Old 11 Mar 2010, 05:02   #2 (permalink)
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I can't think of any right now, but they're loads of exceptions. It's just one of those stupid English rules. Our language is such a word-by-word basis, it's hard to nail down a specific rule.
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Old 11 Mar 2010, 05:03   #3 (permalink)
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It's from German:

1830, from Ger. Kaffein, coined by chemist F.F. Runge (1795-1867), apparently from Ger. Kaffee "coffee" + chemical suffix -ine (Ger. -in). The form of the English word may be via Fr. caféine.

From http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=caffeine

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Old 11 Mar 2010, 05:43   #4 (permalink)
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Ah, I see. Good man, Emlyn. :cookie:


I'm proud to be an American and glad that English is the most widely spoken language in the world, but studying language... but I am not proud of the English language.
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English is the most widely spoken language in the world
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English is the most widely spoken language in the world
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Indeed. The most spoken language in the world is Chinese (any form of its dialects, whether it is Mandarin, Cantonese, etc), followed by Spanish, and then only English. At least get that facts right, Marksman. :

And honestly, never even heard of the "i before e, except after c, and when sounding in 'a', as in neighbor and weight" rule before. In all honesty, it sounds really obscure and rather narrow, as it made one very ignorant of the mutations of the English language as a whole.
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And honestly, never even heard of the "i before e, except after c, and when sounding in 'a', as in neighbor and weight" rule before. In all honesty, it sounds really obscure and rather narrow, as it made one very ignorant of the mutations of the English language as a whole.
English phonetics is perhaps the worst set of rules ever written....perhaps even worse than 5th edition War40k. :P

For example: boot vs foot (same letters different vowel sounds), read and lead (two pronunciations each)

The IE rule is a rule, an exception than an exception to the exception. That really is extraordinary. I'm told that US public schools don't even teach phonetics anymore...they just teach vocabulary.
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Old 11 Mar 2010, 13:23   #8 (permalink)
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and glad that English is the most widely spoken language in the world
I actually would not be surprised if English was the most widely spoken language in the world. Just not the most commonly spoken.

Additionally, I'm proud I can speak English...It's one of the most complex languages on the face of the planet, and the least defined. If you can speak English, you can speak almost any language
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Additionally, I'm proud I can speak English...It's one of the most complex languages on the face of the planet, and the least defined. If you can speak English, you can speak almost any language
I'm quite certain English would be pushed out of my tiny brain if I learned another language. It was hell re-learning it after someone told me how Piglatin works...
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Old 11 Mar 2010, 13:34   #10 (permalink)
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Igpay Atinlay is asyeay. :P
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