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Old 16 Aug 2008, 23:54   #1 (permalink)
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I just took my kids to see the new Clone Wars movie. It was okay, but not great.

It is supposed to launch a new Clone Wars TV series, but it seems to be an odd fit.

There has already been a Clone Wars TV series, that started back in 2003. In that series, Anakin becomes a Jedi Knight (no longer a Padawan learner) and that series ends with the capture of the Chancellor Palpatine (who of course is aka Darth Sidious.) Revenge of the Sith (Episode III) starts right where the original Clone Wars series leaves off. There is not time for the New Clone Wars Series to follow the old one.

The new movie and the upcoming TV series follows the exploits of Jedi Knight Anakin and his new Padawan.

Here is my question. Where does the new one fit? The only thing that makes sense is that it takes place in the middle of the other series. The only thing that makes sense is that the new series takes place between chapters 21 and 22 (which are the 1st and 2nd chapters of Volume Two) of the old Clone Wars. This seems like an odd place to squeeze in a whole new series.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 00:02   #2 (permalink)
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Where does it fit in?

George Lucas' wallet. He just wants another series to get more cash, not to enrich the lives of star wars nerds everywhere. I used to be a fan, but it is this milking of the series that really pushed me away, like the same thing has pushed me away from games workshop.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 00:13   #3 (permalink)
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Well...it makes sense if you didn't watch the first TV Series.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 01:10   #4 (permalink)
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it dosnt really fit in that well... more of a milking it for $ thing...

starwars is cool, but instead of advancing the story... they do this stuff...
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 01:23   #5 (permalink)
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Meh, I'm still gonna see it.

That padawan better die at the end, though. :P

Doesn't make sense for Anakin to go loco if he still has a padawan.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 01:40   #6 (permalink)
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I may have answered my own question. I went back and watched the original clone wars, Chapters 21 and 22.

In 21 Anakin, still with very short hair, becomes a Jedi Knight, like I remembered.

What I didn't remember... is it ends with him saying farewell to Padme, and going off to the frontlines.

Chapter 22 starts with him having long hair, and continues through a montage of Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting there way through the War. He later returns to Padme with a the scar on his eye.

So, Chapter 22 does suggest the passing of time.

While it does seem to be odd place, there is enough room to fit in a new story.

In answer to your comments. Yes, it does seem to be about the pay check for Lucas. But in all the interviews and from all the reports from industry insiders, Lucas is as much geeky fan boy as the rest of us. It seems he really enjoys making this stuff.

That leads me to believe that he is just not that good of a director. Remember, "Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" (which were by far the best of all the films) were directed by Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand.

I mean it is not like any of these movies are total Klkn. They all have good qualities. They just fall annoying short of greatness. Which is almost worse, since they are such a tease, because they come close to being what we all want.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 02:53   #7 (permalink)
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I do remember hearing somewhere that Lucas called a lightsaber a laser sword. @~@

I like Star Wars. I do.

But it's too much milking. :[

Lucas is the milker...

Star Wars is the cow...

"Did I get the milk yet?"

"No. That's the liver, George. We'll sell it as milk anyways."

"How about now?"

"That's the brain. Go on, let's sell it anyways, more for us..."
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Anakin shouldn't even be able to *have* a Padawan because he's not a Master yet. You might say "Ah, but it's Lucas' universe, if he says it's so then that's how it is" but that's not right.

Discworld is Pratchett's universe, Middle Earth is Tolkien's universe, but if either of them turned round and changed one of the fundamental aspects of the universe they would be shot down in a blaze of fire because when you start so rigidly defining a world you get to the point where the fans work better within it than the creator does because, in the case of Lucas (though Tolkien and Pratchett have never done this), the creator never realises that he can't just keep changing things.
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Old 17 Aug 2008, 10:51   #9 (permalink)
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Circus, I do not think that you had to be a master for you to have a padawan.

Other Jedi had padawans that were not on the council.

Even so, In Clone Wars 21, Obi Wan states that he and Anakin are "brothers"

This implies they are the same rank, so Anakin would be able to have a padawan.
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The ranks of the Jedi run like this:

Youngling - Padawan - Knight - Master - Councillor

Qui-Gon Jinn was by all accounts a Jedi Master, yet he was not on the council ("If you would just follow the code, you would be on the Council"). In Attack of the Clones, Obi-Wan is a Master, and he is not yet on the council.

Anakin *never* achieves the rank of Master.

And Obi-Wan calling Anakin a brother, which he also does in Revenge of the Sith, is because of the personal relationship between them, nothing to do with their rank.
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