[Genmotty]

I have a really sad life to be able to think up stuff like this...

Consider Quantum Tunnelling And How It Proves Astral Projection…

Whoa, that’s a big title is it not? In my opinion the understanding of the properties which allow quantum tunnelling (a fancy scientific name for being able to ‘walk through walls’) to take place, give proof to why such psychic abilities like astral projection are not as far-fetched as they might at first appear.

Quantum Tunnelling
To understand quantum tunnelling you must first have an insight into wave-particle duality. This is again a fancy scientific word for saying ‘we don’t have a clue whether matter is matter, or just a wave of energy’. Wave-particle duality is proven through a number of really boring and sad experiments, which some loners spent their life researching. Not wishing to bore you my reader, I will try and make this as short and as simple as possible. Quantum tunnelling is a result of wave-particle duality and all it means is that particles can be energy, and so have no substance and can pass through what we would perceive to be solid.

Wave-particle duality
Classical physics (that’s what we see and do in our scale of things) states that ‘things’ can be classified as a particle or an energy wave. So, for instance. You are a particle, but only because you are made up of lots of atoms. Light however is a wave, because you can’t actually touch it. It is ethereal. In spite of this, there are boring scientific experiments which prove that this is not the case. If you are interested you should look up the ‘photoelectric effect’ on the web.

The results of these experiments show that waves and particles are actually one. Or rather particles are particles when being observed, but otherwise they are ethereal energy which we can’t be certain is actually there. Because we would have to observe from outside of this reality to be certain. Furthermore because ‘things’ are only ‘things’ because they are observed, we cannot be certain, that a lot of scenarios give certain outcomes, because the very act of observing them brings them into being. Are you following?

Put in a very simple way “If a tree in a forest falls down, does it make a sound?” because we are not observing it we cannot say that it makes a sound. Having said that we could say that ‘in all probability the tree made a sound as it fell. It is just that as no one was around to hear it, it didn’t make a sound’. The outcome of wave-particle duality creates the fact that all matter is just ‘condensed’ energy. The idea of not being able to observe something in its wave form, is what gives a shred of truth to astral projection.

Ok if you didn’t follow the above, just take it as fact that if something is not being observed, it can be considered a wave. Waves as classical physics states are just energy. Energy, which in theory is everywhere and nowhere at the same time. All we can say is that there is a probability that the energy is there, because by measuring it we call it into being. This means, that by observing a ‘thing’ it is a ‘thing’. If we turn away and don’t look at the ‘thing’ it no longer is a ‘thing’ it’s a ‘being of energy’ which we will can an ‘entity’. Since matter as we know it is made of energy it is both everywhere and nowhere at once. Because of this it doesn’t exist really, we just perceive it to be there.

If we take this idea of ‘entity’s’ and ‘things’ and apply it to people, we start to build a theory on how astral projection is real.

Not knowing your full knowledge of astral projection I will give to a short description about it. Astral projection is an interpretation of out-of-body experiences achieved either awake or deep meditation, or use of psychotic drugs. People who have experienced astral projection maintain that their consciousness or soul has transferred into a double, which can traverse the world without limitations. This may be likened to a conscious cloud in the way that the astral traveller cannot perceive his astral body but can still see his/her mortal body. The concept a projection has been around for thousands of years, dating back to ancient China and so it could be argued that there is more to this then just fakes creating stories for attention. I personally am a believer because nothing I have ever seen has contradicted this fact. I accept it in the same way that I believe that Australia exists, even though I have never been there.
Now if we take the theory of wave-particle duality and apply it to ourselves is it not conceivable that we can detach our conscious from our mortal bodies as a ‘wave of energy’. In this way it would be possible to travel anywhere the traveller wanted to because energy is both everywhere and nowhere at once.

To conclude, Astral Projection to me seems to be a real effect, as it seems to have roots in science and the fact that there are many cases of astral travellers giving very accurate descriptions of places and events which they should have no knowledge about. You can call me a believer when it comes to this…


After reading the artical what do you think?

[Genmotty]

I'm I just crazy? I'm I?

[davydudeman]

Sounds pretty cool, but unrealistic. Like if we don't see a tree falling it's not really there? Wtf?

[Fish Ead]

Why is that lictor there?

[Praying Mantidae]

Y'know, quantum tunneling should allow teleportation and walking through solid objects to be possible, but for some reason (for humans at least) it isn't. But try this: bump up against walls whenever you can. Perhaps, sometime, the particles will be aligned perfectly and you'll phase right through the wall!

Of course you may be trying this for the rest of your life, but hey, it could happen... :P

You should watch the movie "What the Bleep do we Know?!" its really interesting (although some of it is a little hokey) and hits on this topic for quite a bit.

[Tau Fanatic]

Then again, PopSci ran an article on that showing that the producers of that knew "Bleep".

I, however, am very interested in these things... I could throw lightning! ^.^ Nah...

[Genmotty]

Originally Posted by Fish Ead

Why is that lictor there?

If you can answer that, your smarter than me...

Originally Posted by DavyDudeMan

Like if we don't see a tree falling it's not really there? Wtf?

The question is can you be sure it fell over? Because if particales are energy then nothing actually has substance and can fall over...It makes no sense on our scale of the world, but then we also diffract (look it up on the net) when we walk through doorways and we all have a wavelenght of about 7x10^-36. We just can't perceive it...

[Ironwinds]

Quantum tunneling: Ok it does work... in flash drives, and only for things in the nano world. Of course most thigns act differently when there are only nanograms of them present. For instance gold is black at that size, and many metals act differently, for instance not acting like metals. So far we have only used quantum tunneling on electrons and it happens on its own in radioactive materials.


Wave-particle duality: Also only works on things VERY small. So far the biggest thing we have been able to measure the 'wave function' for is a really big molecule(103 atoms, C60F48) and a few really small bacteria. We actually found out that particles can exist in waves and vice versa because when light was shined on certain metals things would bounce off, as if they had been hit by particles. That is when we discovered photons. I said that because I will be coming back to it.

Quantum tunnelling is a result of wave-particle duality and all it means is that particles can be energy, and so have no substance and can pass through what we would perceive to be solid.

Just thought I would add.
Quantum tunneling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunneling
"On a quantum scale, objects exhibit wavelike behavior. For a quantum particle moving against a potential energy "hill", the wave function describing the particle can extend to the other side of the hill. This wave represents the probability of finding the particle in a certain location, meaning that the particle has the possibility of being detected on the other side of the hill. This behavior is called tunnelling; it is as if the particle has 'dug' through the potential hill.(wikipedia)"

Also waves don't go through solid matter. Very high frequency waves do but even they bounce off lead. Remember we discovered waves exist also as particles because they were interacting with matter as if they were matter. If they didn't eneract we wouldn't have discovered them in the first place. Waves don't go through matter, they bounce off, but because they are everywhere and constantly bouncing they do tend to end up in other locations. So no, you can't go through walls, rather around them. If you don't believe waves can be blocked by matter put a piece of paper in front of your eyes and still try and read this. Visible light is a form of wave energy, as are microwaves but they manage to stay in the microwave.

The results of these experiments show that waves and particles are actually one. Or rather particles are particles when being observed, but otherwise they are ethereal energy which we can’t be certain is actually there.

Ok where did that come from? We can also measure waves(ethereal energy by your terms) and by measuring waves of energy they don't just become particles. We measure waves all the time that at that time are not particles. Have a radio? Those numbers 89.7, 107.5, etc. correspond to frequencies which are a way of measuring waves.

The results of these experiments show that waves and particles are actually one. Or rather particles are particles when being observed, but otherwise they are ethereal energy which we can’t be certain is actually there.

Ok again, we can measure waves, so we can be certain when they are there. Wave-particle duality talks about waves and particles, nothing about 'ethereal energy'. Mostly it talks about how some particles, especially photons and electrons(which are both extremely small even in comparison to atoms, they might as well have no mass at all), can exist as waves or particles. From there wave particle duality moved onto measuring bigger things as waves, even though we have yet to see an instance of such larger things existing as both waves and particles.

Now if we take the theory of wave-particle duality and apply it to ourselves is it not conceivable that we can detach our conscious from our mortal bodies as a ‘wave of energy’. In this way it would be possible to travel anywhere the traveller wanted to because energy is both everywhere and nowhere at once.

We can't apply it to ourselves. Your conscious is millions to billions of tiny electrical sparks all going off in your brain at the same time. If all that was turned into a wave... it wouldn't be a brain anymore, it would be energy. Ok kind of hard to follow. Your brain only works because in its physical state it is set up a certain way and electrical and chemical reactions take place accordingly. If your brain was turned into a wave of energy it wouldn't work, not to mention you see with your eyes so in order to see they would have to go with you, and they also only work when there in their physical state. Now the idea that your soul can turn into a wave... well first find a place in science that suggests a soul exists.

[Deus]

Originally Posted by Genmotty

I'm I just crazy? I'm I?

Yes. This is another perception vs. reality issue. What you perceive does not create the objective reality, its the objective reality that creates your subjective one.