[El Magnifico]

having looked over my previous ideas, i have changed my previous list.

i have dropped a falcon ( ) and added/tweaked some other stuff.

this is the new list:

HQ - Farseer - 193pts
- jetbike
- Singing spear
- Spirit Stones
- Runes of warding
- runes of witnessing (i had points spare - i will consider dropping these for a fusion gun on the autarch)
- Fortune psychic power
- Doom psychic power


HQ - Autarch - 160pts
- Jetbike
- mandiblasters
- laser lance
- reaper launcher


Elites - 6 fire dragons - 96pts

Elites - 6 harlequins - 178pts
- shadowseer
- 5 harlequins' Kiss
- Troope master with power weapon


Troops - 3 guardian Jetbikes - 76pts
- shuriken cannon

Troops - 3 guardian Jetbikes - 76pts
- shuriken cannon


Fast attack - 4 Shining Spears - 187pts
- exarch
- star lance
- hit and run
- skilled riders

Fast attack - Vyper - 80pts
- scatter laser
- shuriken cannon
- spirit stones

Fast attack - Vyper - 80pts
- scatter laser
- shuriken cannon
- spirit stones


Heavy Suport - Falcon Grav Tank - 185pts
- shuriken cannon
- holo-fields
- vectored engines
- spirit stones

Heavy Suport - Falcon Grav Tank - 185pts
- shuriken cannon
- holo-fields
- vectored engines
- spirit stones


total - 1496pts (or 1486 if i dont bother with the runes of witnessing on the farseer)


general thoughts:

1) the autarch MIGHT travel around with the singing spears. his current role though is to sniper marine combat squads to below scoring and generally pester MEQ lists.

2) i refuse to drop anything other than runes of witnessing on my farseer - she has worked VERY WELL for me in that configuration in the past.

3) this is my basic role/strategy for each squad:

Farseer - selects a unit i dont like, dooms them, selects a unit i do like, fortunes them :P. she has been known to suicide charge defilers and such if there is nothing else around and i need to deal with them (str 9 is VERY handy )

Autarch (explained in (1))

fire dragons - land raider huggers. if there are no heavy tanks around (from predator upwards), they go TEQ hunting. might purchase a bare exarch for the +1BS

harlequins - for simply messing up any unit that threatens my battleplan (such as MC's with multi-shot weapons, autocannon squads etc)

jetbikes - anti-horde in a pinch but mainly for objective contesting/claiming

vypers - serious anti-horde!!!

falcons - we all know (though if they can shoot in any given turn, they will be gunning for armour)

[limpchickeninabizkit]

what is it with people minimising on troops. 1 of your hqs is more expensive than your entire troops! troops are supposed to make up 60% of your army, hence 6 slots. please take some more troop choices. guardians (as much as i hate them) do reasonably well. they are in bigger squads, have a heavy weapon option and are cheap. it takes longer to kill 6 guardians than 2 jetbikes. plus they get overlooked. please take more in your troop choice slots!

[El Magnifico]

Originally Posted by limpchickeninabizkit

what is it with people minimising on troops. 1 of your hqs is more expensive than your entire troops! troops are supposed to make up 60% of your army..................please take more in your troop choice slots!

how are these for the reasons:

1) i wanted a jetbike heavy army

2) i purchased the wind rider and cloudstrike apocolypse boxes.

3) for when i play apocolypse, the wind rider strategem REQUIRES that i minimise the squads in the box to make the whole unit.

4) that gives me 9 jetbikes, a jetbike autarch, 2 vypers and 3 falcons (i couldnt fit one of the falcons in but everything else is there)

what is it with people minimising on troops

what is it with people who think that we HAVE to incluide models we dont want into our armies.


i wanted people to rate how this army would perform - not abuse me becuase i wanted a certain feel to my army.


at any rate, the list has changed. this is the new one:


HQ
Farseer - 183pts
- jetbike
- singing spear
- runes of warding
- spirit stones
- fortune
- doom

Autarch - 160pts
- jetbike
- laser lance
- mandiblasters
- reaper launcher


Elites
6 fire dragons - 108pts
- exarch (no upgrades, had points spare)

6 howling banshees - 123pts
- exarch
- executioner for exarch


Troops
3 guardian jetbikes - 76pts
- shuriken cannon

3 guardian jetbikes - 76pts
- shuriken cannon

3 guardian jetbikes - 76pts
- shuriken cannon


Fast Attack
4 shining spears - 187pts
- exarch
- star lance (for exarch)
- withdraw
- skilled rider

vyper - 80pts
- scatter laser
- shuriken cannon
- spirit stones

vyper - 80pts
- scatter laser
- shuriken cannon
- spirit stones


heavy support
falcon - 205pts
- holo-fields
- spirit stones
- vectored engines
- star cannon

falcon - 210pts
- holo-fields
- spirit stones
- vectored engines
- bright lance

1498 points total


how does this list look??

[limpchickeninabizkit]

I'm not saying the list didn't look good or anything, and i wasn't abusing (sorry if it seemed that way) but for your troops an idea is just take a heap of jetbikes. If you are going windrider go with a heap of jetbikes. your list is fluffy and would be okay to play, but not against. i have played with min troops and max everything else and people hate it. give it a whirl a few times, but you want a jetbike heavy army, take more basic jetbikes. i resepect how you want it to be a certain way, but you have to think about the people you are against as well. The second list is much better IMHO. if you can, try taking 4 squads of 6 jetbikes. 2 cannons in each and have that flying around. but yeah, sorry if i seemed a bit harsh, i had no intention of seeming like that.