[phish]

Okay so after a few 1000 point games with Dark Eldar, I figured it was time for me to move up to 1850 points for a tournament coming up soon. How do you guys think this list will fare?

1 of the haemonculi will ride with the wyches. The Archon will go with the warriors with the night shields. And the other two with the other two warrior squads.

HQ 1-Haemonculi-45
Scissorhands, Destructor

Haemonculi-45
Scissorhands, Destructor

Haemonculi-45
Scissorhands, Destructor

HQ 2-Archon-142
-Punisher
-Tormentor Helm
-Shadowfield
-Combat Drugs
-Plasma Grenades
-Trophy Racks

Elites 1-8 Wyches-144
-Wych Weapons
-2 Blasters
-Succubus w/Agoniser, Plasma Grenades

Raider-60
-Horrorfex


Troops 1-9 Warriors-119
-Blaster
-Splinter Cannon
-Sybarite with Agoniser, Plasma Grenades, Trophy Racks

Raider-65
-Horrorfex, Disentegrator

Troops 2-9 Warriors-119
-Blaster
-Splinter Cannon
-Sybarite with Agoniser, Plasma Grenades, Trophy Racks

Raider-60
-Horrorfex

Troops 3-9 Warriors-119
-Blaster
-Splinter Cannon
-Sybarite with Agoniser, Plasma Grenades, Trophy Racks

Raider-60
-Horrorfex

Troops 4-10 Warriors-127
-Blaster
-Splinter Cannon
-Sybarite with Agoniser, Plasma Grenades, Trophy Racks

Raider-65
-Horrorfex, Disentegrator

Troops 5-12 Warriors-116
-2 Dark Lances

Troops 6-12 Warriors-116
-2 Dark Lances

Heavy Support 1-Ravager-140
-3 Disentegrators
-Night Shields

Heavy Support 2-Ravager-125
-3 Dark Lances
-Night Shields

Heavy Support 3-Ravager-125
-3 Dark Lances
-Night Shields

[Lelith Hesperax]

okay first of all. Nightshields = not worth the points. I've used them and they don't hold up against SM, Tau and Eldar...... The only thing that they would be good for is the Ravagers...... other than that the list looks good. I heart Horrorfexs very good! I looks like you could pull off a good all around battle with this. A little of everything. Excellent. Good Luck!!!

[phish]

Well if we take off the two nightshields on the warriors raiders, we are left with 30 extra points, and not a lot to spend it on! Any reccommendation?

[KwiKwag]

Nightshields are one of those optional items I feel comes down to what your comfortable with. Some swear by them and others forget they have them and claim they never work. I could go either way but I am curious to try them out a whole list rather than a select few - my luck has it I will either forget or the wrong raider will be too close to make it work.

As for the list - I like it. I run something similar but with a few changes. I do not want to turn your list into mine but I want to share why I make the list the way I do and you can take what you like or forget what you dont like.

HQ 1-Haemonculi-45
Scissorhands, Destructor

Haemonculi seem to be the rage of 5th edition and I like them a whole lot more myself. If I am pairing them up with a Raider Squad then I like the optional trophy rack to boost their leadership. You could give the racks to the syabarites since they have the agonisers but I usually give the Haemonculi the racks since its so in theme.

HQ 2-Archon-137
-Punisher
-Tormentor Helm
-Shadowfield
-Combat Drugs
-Plasma Grenades

I like to "pimp" my punisher lords with animus and trophy racks. If you are going to pay a little more anyway for the punisher setup I think I might as well go the distance and maximize his setup. Animus and the rack are strictly optional however I never leave home without the rack as it is a gaurantee he will activate it with this setup and although its a defensive piece of wargear I do find it useful.

Elites 1-9 Wyches-156
-Wych Weapons
-2 Blasters
-Succubus w/Agoniser, Plasma Grenades

A good place for the Archon to ride in. I typically use a squad of 8 instead of 9 as sometimes my Archon goes running off in another direction and an even numbered squad is what I prefer. I am thinking of dropping my squads down to 6 or 7 total as the Archon and wyches tend to do too good of a job sometimes and overkill on the charge. I need them to just win combat and stay in close combat into the enemy turn so I can finish them off there. No real problem with the squad overall.

Troops 2-9 Warriors-115
-Blaster
-Splinter Cannon
-Sybarite with Agoniser, Splinter Pistol, Plasma Grenades

Fine as is. I like them maxed out as you have it and if they are paired with a haemy they will be formidable in both the shooting phase and the close combat phase.

Troops 5-10 Warriors-100
-2 Dark Lances

If there was one thing I would strongly recommend in your list that would be to not leave this squad at 10 men. If you are happy with your list and had to spend the points you mentioned that you have free then I would bump these 2 squads to at least 14 and go for 16 if you can. These guys are extremely fragile for being a scoring unit even if you camp them in cover. Its open season on troop choices and it won't take much to cause a morale check - they would be my first target if I was the opponent. Still, some swear by them so its up to you but at least you have 6 scoring units and I like that if anything.

Heavy Support 1-Ravager-140
-3 Disentegrators
-Night Shields

Fine as is. If any unit could make use of the nightshield its this unit.

Heavy Support 3-Ravager-125
-3 Dark Lances
-Night Shields

I really like this unit as well. I usually will run 2 ravagers of this kind and only one of the 3 dissy kind as your list is quite good at "crowd control" and the 3 lance ravagers always have a tank/rhino, a monstrous creature or even a super HQ unit to shoot at. With the Land Raider army becoming more popular I find firing 3 lance as good insurance of actually doing something effective more so than the 2 lance warrior foot squads. I tend to roll really bad when it comes to firing the lances and a 3 lance ravager is like insurance that something bad is going to happen to the enemy target.

So overall its a really nice list as-is.

[phish]

Thanks for the thorough review Grumpy, I'd definitely give yourself a karma pat on the back if you could.

I made a few minor changes to the list. First I took off the night shields to the two raiders, they are usually too close to benifit from it usually and it looks like i could have spent the points better else where. I also switched a ravager to disintegrator as i have found that i am somewhat lacking in anti tank, surprisingly.

I added in trophy racks to the lord, and the sybarites. After that i tried to add in numbers to the sniper squads.