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The day is here>>> Biel Tan 1500
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 19:04   #1 (permalink)
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Tonight the battle between the eldar and the space marines take place. I have made a bunch of differant lists in preperation for this fight. From every craftworld.... my conclusions are simple>>> The main weakness of eldar > low toughness of units> not very good saves... the eldar are fragile.... >>>> the Main strength of the eldar> Technology! Great ranged wepons> ability to move anywhere on the table very fast.

So how can i utilize the great wepons of the eldar .... with out exposing the milky white backside of being so very fragile. My answer TANKS ... eldar anti-grav tanks are not fragile, they are fast, and have a great range of wepons, and upgrades...

Here is my 1500 Bel-Tan Airforce Army

HQ-72
Farseer,guide,cc wep.,pistol

Troops-822
5 Firedragons, exarch,firepike- mounted in a wave serpent, brightlance, Crystal Targeting
5 Firedragons, exarch,firepike- mounted in a wave serpent, brightlance, Crystal Targeting
5 Firedragons, exarch,firepike- mounted in a wave serpent, brightlance, Crystal Targeting

Heavy Support-555
Falcon, star cannon, holofield, Crystal Targeting
Falcon, star cannon, holofield, Crystal Targeting
Falcon, star cannon, holofield, Crystal Targeting

Thats it .... accually i think i have about 51 points left ... it could be spent on 3 more firedragons. Or with a little tweaking another farseer.

What do you guys think? >>>> and i have 1 question.... can a farseer use guide if he is in a transport..... and does the space marine psychic hood work if he is in a transport.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 04 Aug 2005, 19:36   #2 (permalink)
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Well, if it's a friendly match, you're powergaming IMO, and unless your opponent is also a powergamer, he/she probably won't enjoy playing at all.

However if it's a tourney list, it's pretty nasty. Will suffer against any swarms though.

You cannot use Guide if your Farseer is in a Transport (in the same way he can't use powers on someone within a transport.) I would imagine the same applies for the psychic hood.
If you can get the model, I'd suggest spending the spare points on a Jetbike for the Farseer so he can keep up with everyone else.
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 20:00   #3 (permalink)
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i guess i am totally a powergamer =p but so is everyone i play with.... sometimes we have special rules to limit such tomfoolery.... but not tonight!! i was challenged to make the best eldar army i could and the marine player is doing the same.

Farseer on a jet bike ... i like it... maybe even mindwar... so i can jump back behind cover after using it

I figured i couldnt use psychic powers from inside a transport i just wanted to make sure =)
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 20:07   #4 (permalink)
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Here is a pretty nasty Ulthwe list.

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Seer Council = 399pts
- Farseer : Mindwar, Runes of Witnessing, Singing Spear
- Farseer : Mindwar, Runes of Witnessing, Witchblade and Shuriken Pistol
- Farseer : Fortune, Runes of Witnessing, Witchblade and Shuriken Pistol
- Warlock : Enhance, Witchblade and Shuriken Pistol
- 2 Warlocks: Augment, Witchblades and Shuriken Pistols
- 3 Warlocks: Witchblades and Shuriken Pistols

Avatar = 80pts

3x Harlequin Wraithlord - Brightlance, 2 Flamers = 140pts each

2x Black Guardians (5) - Starcannon Platform = 90pts each

4x Guardian Defenders (5) - Starcannon Platform = 90pts each

3x Vyper - Starcannon = 65pts each

3x Wraithlord - Brightlance, 2 Flamers = 120pts each

1994pts
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What do you guys think?
I hope to god you're playing marines and not nids.
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Old 04 Aug 2005, 23:24   #6 (permalink)
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Heh, if his opponent pulls WG's "Lie through your teeth" trick, he's in for a rough ride isn't he Hunter. ;D
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Originally Posted by Restayvien (On Holiday Until the 14th)
Here is a pretty nasty Ulthwe list.
Oh, so NOW you like it... :

Quote:
Originally Posted by FirePower
Tonight the battle between the eldar and the space marines take place. I have made a bunch of differant lists in preperation for this fight. From every craftworld.... my conclusions are simple>>> The main weakness of eldar > low toughness of units> not very good saves... the eldar are fragile.... >>>> the Main strength of the eldar> Technology! Great ranged wepons> ability to move anywhere on the table very fast.

So how can i utilize the great wepons of the eldar .... with out exposing the milky white backside of being so very fragile. My answer TANKS ... eldar anti-grav tanks are not fragile, they are fast, and have a great range of wepons, and upgrades...

Here is my 1500 Bel-Tan Airforce Army

HQ-72
Farseer,guide,cc wep.,pistol

Troops-822
5 Firedragons, exarch,firepike- mounted in a wave serpent, brightlance, Crystal Targeting
5 Firedragons, exarch,firepike- mounted in a wave serpent, brightlance, Crystal Targeting
5 Firedragons, exarch,firepike- mounted in a wave serpent, brightlance, Crystal Targeting

Heavy Support-555
Falcon, star cannon, holofield, Crystal Targeting
Falcon, star cannon, holofield, Crystal Targeting
Falcon, star cannon, holofield, Crystal Targeting

Thats it .... accually i think i have about 51 points left ... it could be spent on 3 more firedragons. Or with a little tweaking another farseer.

What do you guys think? >>>> and i have 1 question.... can a farseer use guide if he is in a transport..... and does the space marine psychic hood work if he is in a transport.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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I'd say that if fire is concentrated on the Wave Serpents and then the occupants, you'll have a hard time winning with just 3 Falcons. An army with a decent amount of AT weapons and good numbers of troops is going to cause problems, particularly if you play a scenario in which quarters or objectives must be taken or held.
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Old 05 Aug 2005, 05:23   #8 (permalink)
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Wave serpents aren't that easy to take down, Max S 8 attacks, and fast skimmers to boot. Hard to get that penetrating shot, and when you do, it turns into glancing.
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Old 05 Aug 2005, 13:22   #9 (permalink)
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well, I have no luck with Wave Serpents, My goes for falcons, why not ditch the Wave serpents and Get more Models on foot? Put your farseer on a 'bike and the dragons in falcons?
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Originally Posted by Restayvien (On Holiday Until the 14th)
Here is a pretty nasty Ulthwe list.


Seer Council = 399pts
- Farseer : Mindwar, Runes of Witnessing, Singing Spear
- Farseer : Mindwar, Runes of Witnessing, Witchblade and Shuriken Pistol
- Farseer : Fortune, Runes of Witnessing, Witchblade and Shuriken Pistol
- Warlock : Enhance, Witchblade and Shuriken Pistol
- 2 Warlocks: Augment, Witchblades and Shuriken Pistols
- 3 Warlocks: Witchblades and Shuriken Pistols

Avatar = 80pts

3x Harlequin Wraithlord - Brightlance, 2 Flamers = 140pts each

2x Black Guardians (5) - Starcannon Platform = 90pts each

4x Guardian Defenders (5) - Starcannon Platform = 90pts each

3x Vyper - Starcannon = 65pts each

3x Wraithlord - Brightlance, 2 Flamers = 120pts each

1994pts

careful, use armies like that and you could end up like this chap.



you know he sneaks extra wraithlords onto the table while his opponent isn't looking.

with regards to your force.. only 15 troops, i'm always worried when i see very low troop counts like that. i realise you have plenty of firepower, and should be able to strike destroying a lot within your first turn or so. but if for some odd reason your opponant fails to break, you could be open to massed fire.

it'll be interesting to see how well you get along. it'll only take a couple of lucky rolls from him and you'll be in trouble i think.
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