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Old 25 Jul 2005, 10:29   #1 (permalink)
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This is my first real go at an ulthwe army list. I dont know the exact points cost because im still waiting on a delivery to get my codexes, any changes or ideas would be great ;D
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Seer council-
Farseer 1: Witchblade, s.p, fortune, guide
Farseer 2: Witchblade, s.p, mind war, eldritch storm
Warlock 1: Witchblade, s.p, enhance
Warlock 2: Witchblade, s.p, destructor
Warlock 3: Witchblade, s.p, augment

Elites
(5) striking scorpions & exarch w/ scorpions claw & stealth
(5) Fire Dragons & exarch w/ fire pike & tank hunter

Troops:
2x 16 Black guardians: flamer, star cannon & warlock w/ witchblade, s.p, conceal

Fast Attack:
2x 2 Vypers w/ scatter lasers

Heavy Support:
Wraithlord w/ brightlance, 2 flamers
Falcon w/ starcannon, holo field, spirit stone
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 07:24   #2 (permalink)
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Well as a general list it seems fairly solid but if I had to make changes I would reccomend:

Giving one of the farssers fortune and the other guide and mind war. This would save some points and allow for better uses of the powers. I would also add another warlock with witchblade, s.p and destructor. This would turn the council into awesome close quarter combat specialists (especially with re-rolled invaunrable saves).
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I wouldn't take any scatterlasers either. Starcannons will be a better return. Then if you say, add antoher wraithlord to the list and maybe antoher vyper you'd have a nice 1500 point army.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 12:38   #3 (permalink)
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if you begin to pack two wraithlords, expect to lose a friend or two ;D
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 12:41   #4 (permalink)
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Why? whats wrong with two wraithlords in an army?
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 13:47   #5 (permalink)
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Seer Council:

Never take two powers on 1 Farseer, it just isn't practicle IMO. You will wan't to use one power most of the time so you will get to use the other once maybe twice in the game, which then means you are wasting points spent on the other.

Eldritch Storm is the worst power available and not useful against very many armies, I'd drop it.

Get another Farseer and give him guide rather than the first Farseer having Guide & Fortune. Give this new Farseer a Witchblade.

Drop Destructer and the Witchblades on the Warlocks, this will save points plus it will be the Warlocks that you remove first anyway. Give the Warlock that no longer has Destructer. Embolden.

Take another two Warlocks with Pistols and CC weapons. These will allow you to take off cheap models when you take a few casualties.

Black Guardians:

Nice units, only problem is that they can't have a flamer. Other than that, keep them as they are.

Vypers:

Scatter Lasers are IMO the worst weapon the Eldar have, I'd rather have a Shuriken Cannon.

So you have 4 Vypers? I'd give two Starcannons and keep two basic with Shuriken Cannons.

Heavy Support:

Both are fine. Although I'd give your Falcon a BL instead of Starcannon as you will already have enough of them in your army.

Elites:

Those Dragons will get shot down very easily without a transport so..........I'd drop them, max out the Scorps, maybe even give them Haywire Grenades. This unit is pretty hard to kill with the good armour save. They will cause problems early for your enemy and with Haywires and the Claw can worry both tanks and infantry.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 14:10   #6 (permalink)
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First of all i'd like to clear my name and say i was never planning to take two wraithlords, im new to eldar and was asking the question. With the seer council i'd rather keep the witchblades becuase my plan is to use them as a makeshift cc squad that i can use in a sticky spot during the batte. Finally a few mistakes in the list: i was planning to put the fire dragons in the falcon and the flamers were a bad typo (i wrote this list when i wasnt thinking straight). I take on board the ideas for the starcannons and the bl on the falcon it will add to its anti tank abilities. What do you think about having a third farseer so i have mind war, guide and fortune equiped to separate models?
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 14:24   #7 (permalink)
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'First of all i'd like to clear my name and say i was never planning to take two wraithlords'

Nobody suggested you was.

'With the seer council i'd rather keep the witchblades becuase my plan is to use them as a makeshift cc squad that i can use in a sticky spot during the batte.'

Maybe so but Witchblades just on 3 Farseers is enough. You don't want all those points going into Warlocks. Think about it, you lose a Warlock to a Bolter shot; 33pts dead. That is huge, you need some cheap models to remove when you lose them early. Perhaps give two of your Warlocks Witchblades, those with Enhance and Embolden. You really should take Embolden you don't want a squad that expensive and tough dying just because they got caught when they run away.

'What do you think about having a third farseer so i have mind war, guide and fortune equiped to separate models?'

As I've said. A must.

If the Dragons are going in the Falcon then I think the Scorps are a little small in size. Maybe drop them for 5 Rangers?.

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Old 26 Jul 2005, 17:12   #8 (permalink)
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Ok I'll drop the witchblades on the warlocks and do you mean drop the scorps or dragons? because another idea i was having was to drop the dragons and use the wraithlord and falcon as my main source of anti tank fire freeing up points to max out the scorp squad. With the warlock powers i'll drop destructor and eldrich storm so that i can bring in the extra farseer with guide and emboden for the warlock without a power. Then i'll increase the number in the seer council to 8 with 2 extra warlocks, hows that?
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 17:44   #9 (permalink)
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Seems fine.

Yes, I'd rather take full Scorp squad and drop the Dragons.
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Old 26 Jul 2005, 17:54   #10 (permalink)
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k, thanks for your help i'll make the changes to my list at some point
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