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Old 05 May 2010, 01:14   #1 (permalink)
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For the sake of clarification. Does Prince Yriel's singing spear ignore armor when thrown? We know it ignores armor in close combat but it doesn't say whether or not it works when thrown.
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What is the wording? Is it:

"Ignore armour save". or "Ignore armour save in assault/close combat".

If it only specify in assault/close combat then the opponent get's a save if thrown. Otherwise i would say that it always ignore the armour save.
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I would have said it always denies armour saves. Its the nature of the weapon itself, not the fact that Yriel is swiging it that hard.
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Or it might just say that it counts as a power weapon - in which case this would only apply in close combat. Thrown weapons often have a completely seperate profile for a ranged attack.
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Old 05 May 2010, 12:24   #5 (permalink)
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Yriel's Spear of Twilight is, and I quote, "a singing spear that ignores armour saves." So yes, it ignores saves in all cases. In my opinion, that's all armour saves, thrown or not. It would have specified ranged or close combat, otherwise.
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Old 05 May 2010, 13:00   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah that wording definitely makes it sound like it applies to both circumstances.
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Old 05 May 2010, 15:33   #7 (permalink)
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Considering that a "singing spear" entails both close-combat special rules as well as shooting profile, I would agree as well.
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Just wanted to get consensus. I have the model and plan on using him eventually. Seth has the wording correct. My only concern was that it references the singing spear weapon profile which is Strength x AP6. But I guess in the case of Yriel the AP would only be important for considering armor penetration on a vehicle. Noting that since it has an AP (not AP -) there is no -1 penalty for vehicle damage. Additionally, not being AP1 it does not get the +1 bonus either. However, when throwing it at any target that has an armor save it will ignore it. Just figured I'd check with you all. That was always my understanding of it. I just wanted to be sure.
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