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Old 09 Jul 2005, 21:42   #1 (permalink)
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If Farseers can see the future, how come they don't use this ability to stop the opponent from winning?
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I have no idea about the fluff behind farseers cept they can see future n stuff. But they can probably see the battle coming forth, not what they're bringing.
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Old 09 Jul 2005, 22:08   #3 (permalink)
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The Farseers need alot of time and concentration to be able to tell the future. ("I forsee... a bullet... flying at my head..." *splat*) so it's not that effecient in battle. The phychic powers they have show alot of ability to manipulate fate, however.

For the effect of a realy powerful Farseer, look at Eldrad Ulthan, he can move his forces to mess up the opponent after deployment.
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If Farseers can see the future, how come they don't use this ability to stop the opponent from winning?
Because seeing the future isn't like reading a set of instructions. The Farseers kind of work like this:

NOW............................................... .................................................G OAL.

NOW.......................................KEY BATTLE.......................................GOAL.

KEY BATTLE.......Probably win if we ambush from point X.................GOAL.

AMBUSH.....................Enemy might deploy tanks at point Y.............GOAL.

Eldar cannot forsee exact numbers of the enemy, only their general deployment. Expecting tanks, they deploy large numbers of Fire Dragons.

That is how it works. It isn't a case of "there will be 63 Guardsmen with Lasguns all stood 5 feet apart, and four Autocannon teams exactly 71" away from the tree..."
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In the codex theres a bit of fluff saying that farseers see in the future but not exact dates, so he could forsee a battle 10 years in front of the one hes fighting.
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That would be hilarious!

Farseer: I predict a land raider will be deploying a squad of assault terminators at 1600 hours at the objective.
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Besides, the future (from what I remember) doesn't work like that. Mostly they see POSSIBILITIES, and generally act on the most likely one.
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I had this exact issue. Why do Eldar fight battles if they know that they'll lose in said battle?

I had it explained to me thus - just because they can foresee the future, doesn't mean they can necessarily do anything about it. It's like in Dr. Who, where he may travel through time, but if he affects the events of time, then the fabric thereof is damaged. The Farseers may know things in advance - but that doesn't mean they can act upon that knowledge. Fate may ultimately command their decisions.
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I had this exact issue.* Why do Eldar fight battles if they know that they'll lose in said battle?
This covers three possibilities:

1) The Eldar were caught off guard...

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...right, you should have all stopped laughing by now, so I'll carry on.

2) The Eldar felt the risk was worth the gain, and failed.

3) The Eldar knew there was more to gain by losing (eg: if they die defending Tau, the Tau are more likely to help the Eldar in the future, and thus accomplish more for the Eldar than those who died could have).
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All excellent points, but I have an issue with the third - if the Eldar are a dying race, shouldn't they cherish all the numbers they have? Exactly how dying are they if they're prepared to do tactics like that?

I'd say 2) is the most plausible.
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