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Old 13 Jan 2010, 13:45   #1 (permalink)
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Games I play with other players often get interesting as we have more units than are good for us. Therefore we try and switch up army composition on the fly. Last time my normally suit heavy Tau went total Mech at the same time when I was going to try Pathfinders (Eldar ones) against them. Turns out pathfinders aren't very AT...

In any case, the Tyranid Tactics Shakey was talking about mentioned D-Cannons. Now I have never fielded them, and I initially thought that yes they were powerful but lack of range may stifle their effectiveness. I did this as I glanced at my Guardians, 12 strong that ride the Serpent WITH a support weapon, ot counting towards passenger count. SO!

My Falcon is going to pack up a Weapon battery of D-cannons, 2 crew per weapon clocks in at 6! Ok, logistics aside, I am wondering COULD this happen? I am doing this mainly again to experiment with odd-ball tactics the enemy has not thought of, constantly experimenting....
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 15:34   #2 (permalink)
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My Falcon is going to pack up a Weapon battery of D-cannons, 2 crew per weapon clocks in at 6! Ok, logistics aside, I am wondering COULD this happen? I am doing this mainly again to experiment with odd-ball tactics the enemy has not thought of, constantly experimenting....
The Guardian Heavy Weapon Platform rule specifically allows the weapon platform to not take up any space in a transport. A Support Weapon squad on the other hand, is an artillery unit, consisting of both infantry and vehicle models. As per the transport rules on pg. 66 however, "a transport may carry a single infantry unit." So that's a no go on stuffing the D-cannons in a Falcon. Even if you could, they're heavy weapons and would have to sit a turn after disembarking before they could fire--not a great idea with guardian paper armor and AV10 vehicles that are destroyed by a single glance.
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Old 13 Jan 2010, 16:32   #3 (permalink)
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AV 10 killed by a single glance?! OK guardians are delightfully fragile, but my Falcon (with AV12 mostly) with holofields has yet to be destroyed in appox. 10 games (same goes for Fire Prism, but my waveserpent twice though ).

One turn for positioning would be alright, especially if they hid inside protected from first turn fire (if enemy was going first). Oh well.
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Old 14 Jan 2010, 02:15   #4 (permalink)
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AV 10 killed by a single glance?! OK guardians are delightfully fragile, but my Falcon (with AV12 mostly) with holofields has yet to be destroyed in appox. 10 games (same goes for Fire Prism, but my waveserpent twice though ).

One turn for positioning would be alright, especially if they hid inside protected from first turn fire (if enemy was going first). Oh well.
Just for clarity's sake, I was talking about the D-cannons, not the Falcon. Artillery pieces (in this case, the D-cannons themselves) count as vehicles with AV10 all around, and are destroyed by the first successful penetrating or glancing hit they suffer. And ( assuming artillery could go in transports) if you kept them in the Falcon for the first turn, they'd count as moving when they disembarked in the second turn, and would have to wait till the third turn to fire.
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Old 14 Jan 2010, 05:28   #5 (permalink)
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What? Support Weapons have a unit statline, not an armor value. Its a big gun (or three) with any where between 2-6 wounds depending. (one for each crew member obviously.) Where are you getting this AV 10 from?
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Old 14 Jan 2010, 05:36   #6 (permalink)
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The unit statline is for the crew. All artillery pieces have the same rules unless noted in the codex. The rules for destroying the cannon instead of the crew are on page 55 of AoBR rulebook, under the heading THE UNIT near the top of the page. It's a little buried in the paragraph so it's not surprising people sometimes overlook it.
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Old 14 Jan 2010, 05:45   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah i think they count as av 10 all around open topped and theres a good chance when firing on the unit that you hit the gun instead. Don't quote me though since i haven't actually used a Heavy Weapon platform in quite some time.
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Old 14 Jan 2010, 09:52   #8 (permalink)
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Well that is rather confusing. So when some one shoots the support weapon squad....How do you decide whether they are shooting the crew or the guns? How are wounds decided? This now baffles me.

Edit: I know you told me where I could look it up, but my local group here has about three community rulebooks that float between about eleven of us. I am not usually in possession of one of them either, so if it isn't too much trouble can you enlighten me?
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Well that is rather confusing. So when some one shoots the support weapon squad....How do you decide whether they are shooting the crew or the guns? How are wounds decided? This now baffles me.

Edit: I know you told me where I could look it up, but my local group here has about three community rulebooks that float between about eleven of us. I am not usually in possession of one of them either, so if it isn't too much trouble can you enlighten me?
Can't really. You are asking for specific rules and we cannot give them to you without breaching copyright. However Guitardian gave you the exact reference in the rulebook, you will have to look it up.

Also depending on how avid a player you are you might want to invest in a rulebook. eBay could be your firend to get a cheaper second hand copy.
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Old 14 Jan 2010, 13:15   #10 (permalink)
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Oh, okay, well don't want to breach copyright, I know how messy that can be. I'll just give my buddy a ring and ask him about it.

I might go the eBay route, but I don't really feel like buying that overpriced tome or buying that battle set for the mini version. I wish they sold the minibook separately.
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