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Old 05 Sep 2009, 11:12   #1 (permalink)
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Default Rangers/Pathfinders in 5th Edition

Hiya,

I was reading the Ranger entry in the Codex the other day, seeing as I just bought some, when I noticed something that baffled me.

It was the way the Ranger Long Rifle works in 5th Edition.
It says (for Pathfinders) that any roll to hit of 5+ counts as AP1, and also, in 5th Edition, all sniper weapons count as Rending, so how does it work? Do both rules apply? Does one take precedence?
Can you brush me up on the basic rules for sniping too, seeing as I have never used or been against them?

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Edit: And another thing, if Pathfinders go to ground in a fortification or behind an Aegis line, do they get a 1+ Cover save? My LGS owner seems to think so, so that only cover-ignoring weapons can get them out.
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When rolling to hit, separate the hits" of 5 and 6 and those of 3 and 4. Rolling to wound, any 5 and 6 that gets a 6 is a Rending AP 1 weapon, and any 3and 4 that gets a 6 is a Rending AP 2 weapon.

Saves may NOT get better than 2+, ever. Pathfinders behind an Aegis get a 2+ cover save. The only benefit is if the weapon merely reduces the cover save.

Were you fighting Tau, 3 Markerlight hits used to reduce cover saves would leave the Pathfinders with a 4+ cover save (3+ from ruins, down by 2 from special abilities, up by 3 from markerlights).
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Old 05 Sep 2009, 17:11   #3 (permalink)
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He got it right; the abilities stack.

W/Pathfinders you roll the 5/6s to hit as a separate bunch, and they still need a 4+ to wound, but the 6 doesn't change AP IIRC, because Codex>General Rules... 6's.

Then you roll all of the dice that were 3/4s and any that score a 4+ are a wound as per usually but the 6's pierce.

I think that the AP1 on a 5/6 ability doubles your chance to pierce all armor. If my math isn't way off anyway.

Sniper weapons wound on a 4+ no matter what, so don't shoot them at Grots or Ratlings . They are Rending as well.
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so you get double the chances to rend? err whatever? so on to hit 5's and 6's and to wound 6's? wow, thats really, really, really, really good.
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Old 05 Sep 2009, 23:07   #5 (permalink)
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Oh, and the 1+ cover thing is shtlk, the Rulebook clearly states you always fail whatever you're doing (shooting, saving, CC attacks, wounding, etc) on a roll of 1. You can't get better than a 2+ coversave.
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Just a little bit off topic, does that mean a Melta gun doesn't glance AV10 if you roll a double 1?
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Just a little bit off topic, does that mean a Melta gun doesn't glance AV10 if you roll a double 1?
Not that i'm aware of. I'm pretty sure that the vehicle damage and armour penetration is different from the norm of a 1 fails all. :-\
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well you are rolling up to something as opposed to pass/fail like to hit and to wound is. so no, double ones does not count. otherwise lascannons would be kinda lame.
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Just a little bit off topic, does that mean a Melta gun doesn't glance AV10 if you roll a double 1?
No, as there are other rules covering vehicle penetration. The rule that was stated earlier, the 'a 1 always fails,' is in regards to BS, WS, and armor saves and can be found early on in the rulebook.
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Yeah, Droids_Rule got it.

The 1's always fail is just when you're seeing if a model achieved something like hitting a target, wounding said target, moving through dangerous terrain safely (hence the "ones are wounds), etc.

Stuff like Leadership tests and armor penetration is different. There is such a thing as a "sure" penetrating hit because when you're determining the results it's Str+D6. So AV10 hit by a Raligun is 10+_>10. No matter what you roll with a Railgun (assuming you've hit) you're going to pen.
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