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Old 02 Sep 2009, 07:20   #1 (permalink)
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I know the Tau abhor such things (despite what Tau players churn out in the House Rule/Apoclypse Boards) but what makes Eldar create Titans of their own? I know they're fast (due to their very light-weight construction material but still as durable) but aren't they just asking to be shot as well? After all, they're just as big. Also, how do they perform when compared to Imperial Titans? What are their defenses? Firepower?
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Old 02 Sep 2009, 08:38   #2 (permalink)
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Actually from what i've heard about eldar titans, they're ridiculously small. (they're classed as scout titans mostly.) They can quite easily hide behind a medium sized building on a hive world, which a battle titan would tower over. as for their weapons, they usually have twin pulsars or twin laser lances i think, along with titan missile launchers.

The main battle titans (as far as i can remember) were warlock class titans, which were much larger, with much more powerful guns (which is hard to believe as the pulsars are some-thing like a vibro cannon.... but on steroids) This is why they're so lightly armed.

Also, don't forget that with the webway, the eldar could transport as many of these as they wanted onto a planet, with relative ease. This would mean that a fair few titans could suddenly appear out of no-where and beat the hell out of you, before an effective defense could be organised. ;D
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Old 02 Sep 2009, 08:44   #3 (permalink)
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I think Eldar Titans are quite similar in size to Imperial Titans (height-wise), they are just a lighter build. Their smaller ones are a similar size to a Warhound, larger ones are more like Reaver or Warlord size.

Also as I understand it Pulsars are more like massive Bright Lances or Pulse Lasers, not Vibro Cannons. They don't have Laser Lances...as those are the weapons Shining Spears use.
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There's a few reasons, but honestly foremost amongst them is probably that the concept of an Eldar Titan was created before GW really started thinking about how their fictional armies would operate =P now they actually think about that they're not going to give Tau titans for the hell of it, but they can't really retcon the existence of Phantoms and Revenants etc.

In setting, I'd say it comes down to their technology first. They are capable of making machines that size with the exact same mobility level that an Eldar warrior would have were he that size. As such they make a great platform for mounting obscenely large weaponry on (such as pulsars, sonic lances and larger).

Second I'd put it down to arrogance. This is one of the defining characteristics of the Eldar and as such it makes sense to me that it'd be a reason why they do what they do. The Imperial and Chaos titans are celebrations of faith and weapons of terror, Eldar Titans are really neither but the downsides are negated by the vehement Eldar belief that anything they build is better than those foolish mon'keigh contraptions!

And third technology again. They're just as big as the Imperial Titans yes, but they have something important that Imperial Titans don't have - holofields. They can hide in plain sight, and for something as big as a titan that's an immense boost to its survivability.

I really believe it's really equal parts all those reasons (including the production based reason at the start) as to why the Eldar have titans.
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Alright, they're just as agility and mobility as any Aspect Warrior if they were that size, they can hide in plain sight and carry guns just as powerful and destructive as Imperial Titan weapons. Wow, first time I've ever heard a Titan having Stealth mode.
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Holofields don't make things invisible, just very hard to hit, and even harder if they move. It's like trying to hit a swarm of pixels that becomes more and more sparse as the object speeds up.
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Holofields don't make things invisible, just very hard to hit, and even harder if they move. It's like trying to hit a swarm of pixels that becomes more and more sparse as the object speeds up.
I know how holofields work, i.e. not a cloaking device, but my point was no other race has anything like that on a vehicle that large.
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Also as I understand it Pulsars are more like massive Bright Lances or Pulse Lasers, not Vibro Cannons. They don't have Laser Lances...as those are the weapons Shining Spears use.
Oops my mistake. i was thinking of sonic lances. Forgive me my ignorance of apocalypse data sheets, i've only ever skimmed through the book once, and it was a bout a year ago :-[

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Holofields don't make things invisible, just very hard to hit, and even harder if they move. It's like trying to hit a swarm of pixels that becomes more and more sparse as the object speeds up.
I know how holofields work, i.e. not a cloaking device, but my point was no other race has anything like that on a vehicle that large.
Yeah I was just clearing it up for Zenny, as I didn't think 'stealth' really described it's function that well.

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Also as I understand it Pulsars are more like massive Bright Lances or Pulse Lasers, not Vibro Cannons. They don't have Laser Lances...as those are the weapons Shining Spears use.
Oops my mistake. i was thinking of sonic lances. Forgive me my ignorance of apocalypse data sheets, i've only ever skimmed through the book once, and it was a bout a year ago :-[
Oh yeah Sonic Lances are pretty much scaled up Vibro Cannons AFAIK.
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Holofields don't make things invisible, just very hard to hit, and even harder if they move. It's like trying to hit a swarm of pixels that becomes more and more sparse as the object speeds up.
I know how holofields work, i.e. not a cloaking device, but my point was no other race has anything like that on a vehicle that large.
Disruption Pods used to be working on some Tau fliers.

Now they retconned/errata'd that option away from us. :P
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