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Old 27 Aug 2009, 01:19   #1 (permalink)
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Default How do star engines work?

Ok can anyone explain to me exactly how do star engines work?

I played a game against an eldar player and thinking back on the game something doesn't seem right about those star engine moves.

He would move his vehicles flat out over 18" and then in the shooting phase he would move another 12" which is what star engines allow you to do.

However as far as I understand it, star engines work 'in lieu of' shooting. Meaning you have to be able to shoot in order to use them. Thus if you move flat out(a.k.a you can't shoot for that turn) you should not be able to use the Star Engines.

Am i right? And if i'm wrong what contradicts my train of thought?

Also can star engines be used to tank shock units?
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Old 27 Aug 2009, 01:28   #2 (permalink)
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You can use them after moving Flat Out. When it says in Lieu of shooting, it emans during the shooting phase.

What would be the point if they could only use it if they were able to shoot? They could just move 24 in the movement phase and save themselves a few points. Sure you can use them as mobile cover (move out of the way, shoot with other units, screen) but that isn't what they were intended for.

As for the tank-shock, I haven't got my eldar dex on me, but I think it is okay, as are rams.
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Old 27 Aug 2009, 04:39   #3 (permalink)
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Eldar FAQ makes this a bit clearer by stating "As long as a vehicle is allowed to move that turn and does not shoot or embark/disembark troops, It may use it's star engines."

As far as Tank shock goes Star Engines cannot be used with a tank shock due to tank shock occurring in the movement phase and Star Engines occurring as a second movement in the shooting phase.
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Old 27 Aug 2009, 06:50   #4 (permalink)
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In the most recent Ard Boyz, I got tank shocked by star engines in the movement phase. I didn't call my opponent on it because it seemed to make sense. If star engine movement follows the normal rules of tank movement (which it does, AFAIK), then it could be used to tank shock. Eldar tanks with star engine are nasty for last-minute contesting of objectives. Being able to do that (and taking 2nd turn) contributed to my Eldar opponent taking 3rd in round 1.
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Old 27 Aug 2009, 13:22   #5 (permalink)
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In the most recent Ard Boyz, I got tank shocked by star engines in the movement phase.
If your opponent used his star engines in the movement phase he was cheating.
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Old 28 Aug 2009, 20:12   #6 (permalink)
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I thought "in lieu of" meant instead of
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Old 30 Aug 2009, 02:20   #7 (permalink)
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Star Engines movement happens in the movement phase, it just means that the unit using them is giving up the chance to shoot. It doesn't specifically say the movement happens in the shooting phase, it just says you use them while forfeiting the ability to shoot.

When you move flat-out you forfeit the right to shoot, does that mean you have to use the extra movement from moving flat-out in the shooting phase? No. It doesn't make any sense to do the same with Star Engines.

Also, there's already been a discussion about whether you can use star engines and move flat-out at the same time, I think it still applies here...
Here's my resources and conclusion.

Other than the semantics discussion I think all the important info is in the relevant section of the Codex. You can do anything using Star Engines that you can moving flat-out (except I think models can embark when a vehicle moves flat-out). That means you can ram in my book (but it's a crazy book so watch out ).
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Old 30 Aug 2009, 15:55   #8 (permalink)
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http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_...05_Edition.pdf

Sorry Shas'el, the FAQ already ruled on this one. As long as you can move, do not shoot, and do not embark/disembark you can use the star engines and the movement happens in the shooting phase.
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Old 31 Aug 2009, 00:54   #9 (permalink)
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*bows to superior powers* Alrighty. But you can use them & move flat-out, right? I mean otherwise, it's the same as just moving flat-out normally, but paying for it :P

On another note:

Damn, no ramming and exploding Monoliths and Land Raiders with a weaponless serpent (that would die gloriously in the attempt)... awww.
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Sure you can use them as mobile cover (move out of the way, shoot with other units, screen) but that isn't what they were intended for.
yeah but its a fun trick, innit tho?
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