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Old 08 Jul 2009, 14:48   #1 (permalink)
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Default new player neeed to know how tau can beat eldar

i am new to eldar i just want to know ways in which tau can beat eldar players so i can avoid defeat like i had the other day.
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Old 08 Jul 2009, 15:32   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: new player neeed to know how tau can beat eldar

If you could let us know roughly what you had and roughly what he had and what gave you trouble, that would be a huge help.

I'm afraid that Eldar lists are too diverse to say "this is how he beat you and this is how you can win" without more information.

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Old 09 Jul 2009, 13:17   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: new player neeed to know how tau can beat eldar

what type of units do i keep away from when fighting tau ?
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Old 09 Jul 2009, 16:36   #4 (permalink)
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Wait are you the Eldar player or the Tau player? Either way post your list and try to recall what your opponent had and we can go from there.
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Old 09 Jul 2009, 18:55   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: new player neeed to know how tau can beat eldar

They can't beat Eldar!!! Joke.

I will give a basic summary of the Eldar units and how to counter them.

Guardians
These are light infantry who are comparable to Guardsmen.
Counters: Pulse Rifles/Carbines, SMS, CIB, Burst Cannons, etc.

Dire Avengers
These are slightly better armoured and more skilled versions of Guardians.
Counters: Hammerhead submunitions, AFP and massed fire.

Howling Banshees
Keep these ladies away from your suits, they will be their main targets.
Counters: These can also be taked down with Hammerhead submunitions, the AFP and massed infantry fire.

Striking Scorpions
These are armoured better still than Banshees and Avengers, and keep them away from your infantry, especially your Kroot.
Counters: Massed pulse fire, rail rifles, plasma (if you have enough to spare)

Shining Spears
These are also armoured toughly, and are extremely good on the charge.
Counters: Kroot in CC, Rail Rifles, massed infantry fire - they fall just as much as Space Marines.

Fire Dragons
Keep these guys away from your vehicles, they pack loads of Melta weaponry.
Counters: (See Howling Banshees)

Warp Spiders
These are only ever in sight every now and then, so shoot them when you can.
Counters: Rail Rifles, Plasma, etc.

Swooping Hawks
These are probably the most mobile unit in 40k, watch out.
Counters: (See Howling Banshees)

Dark Reapers
These are very immobile, well armoured and long ranged, so can be hard to dig out.
Counters: Rail Rifles, Plasma, etc

Pathfinders
These are the snipers of the Eldar army.
Counters: Flamers (often combined with Deep Striking Crisis Suits)

Eldar Vehicles
These can vary from the Vyper Jetbike to the Fire Prism Grav-Tank.
Counters: Railguns, Fusion Blasters.

Characters
Some of these can be extremely tough to kill, and have some useful tricks, so take them out when you can.
Counters: Rail Rifles, Railguns, Plasma, Fusion Blasters.

Wraithguard
These are very resilient troops, and tough to kill.
Counters: Plasma, Fusion Blasters, Rail Rifles.

Seer Councils
These have invulnerable saves, and relatively few wounds as well as potent psychic powers.
Counters: Massed infantry fire and Plasma if you want to risk it being saved.

I think that's about it.

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Default Re: new player neeed to know how tau can beat eldar

He had a similar post in the Tau thread where he is the tau player unable to beat eldar. So it's hard to figure what he wants.
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Old 10 Jul 2009, 07:03   #7 (permalink)
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He had a similar post in the Tau thread where he is the tau player unable to beat eldar. So it's hard to figure what he wants.
I run eldar and tau armies and i have a trouble using tau against eldar and vice versa. Its like fighting my own race in my opinion.
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Old 10 Jul 2009, 17:33   #8 (permalink)
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Stealthsuits are ungodly irritating.
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Old 13 Jul 2009, 02:38   #9 (permalink)
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I play both armies as well. I look at it in terms of strengths and weaknesses of each of my armies and then compare. I do that with strategies as well.

My first realization when comparing the two was that Eldar can kick ass at CC against Tau. Their low strength is negated by the Fire Warriors T3. You don't need CC specialists to kill a Tau unit in 2 rounds of CC (that's so you can avoid the Tau shooting phase).

The other main one is that Eldar can match and/or beat Tau for speed. Easily.

Then I looked at my strategies. With both armies the overall plan is similar: destruction of opposing forces piecemeal by concentration of fire.

So, to fight Tau me (I hope nobody I play is reading this btw :shifty as Eldar I would use my superior mobility to negate the Tau's lesser mobility (&/or equal mobility). Then, I would be aware that the Tau would be trying to destroy my army piecemeal and keep it supported and together (and not in LoS if possible). Finally, I'd use units like Shining Spears and Warp Spiders to catch his/her suits in CC by speed.
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Default Re: new player neeed to know how tau can beat eldar

Lord Zanuu, you forgot the wraith lord, very powerful at range and up close, best thing to kill with, railguns.

Dark Reapers and other 3+ saves are best countered with the trusty missile pod, which is far more availiable than the rail rifle, and has a higher RoF.

As you play both of these it should be very easy to figure out how to beat each one, you have all the stats and models in front of you, and a book full of strengths and weaknesses.
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