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Old 11 Apr 2005, 07:40   #1 (permalink)
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Figure I need a unit that's effective at harassing enemy troops, possibly even taking a few down while I move the rest of my troops up the field...

So what's the better option, Hawks, or Spiders?

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Old 11 Apr 2005, 13:20   #2 (permalink)
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well the hawks have terrible weapons and the normal hawks are just there for supporting the exarch wh ois awsome. and they dont have to roll to see if they get trapped in the warp everytime they move. i'd go with the hawks if you extremly soup up the exarch.(i.e. web of skulls and things liek that)
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Both have the same number of shots, but a Spider's shot are twice the strengh of a Hawk's, conversly Hawks have twice the range. Spiders wear heavier armor but as elflord said hawks won't get stuck in the warp and die. To use the Hawk's best weapon, the grenade pack, you need to deep strike them out of reserve, if you want to waste that and deploy them at the begining go with Hawks and upgrade the exarchs weapon to web of skulls or hawks talon other wise go with Spiders.
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I think that the hawks are better for harassing the enemy - due to their weapon's longer range. The strength is terrible but due to the long range and the amount of shots fired considerable damage could be done to lightly armoured troops.

Definitely deepstrike them - as due to the grenade pack and the ability to fire their assault weapon they could potentially do a lot of damage on the turn they arrive. Web of skulls and sustained assault are IMO the best combination (bounding leap is just one big waste of 5 points)

I personally prefer spiders to hawks but for the sort of role you're describing I think hawks would definitely be better
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Old 11 Apr 2005, 17:51   #5 (permalink)
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note: spiders don't always have to chance the warp, only the assault jump.

As for harassing the definately better choice is hawks, shooty hawks, (hawk's talon) movement 12 and shooting 24 they can dance around the enemy out of range, unless of course they want to shoot heavy weapons at a squad of hawks insted of WL, either way your army gets across the board a little easier.
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note: spiders don't always have to chance the warp, only the assault jump.
good point...and the chance of one of them dying is only 1/36 everytime you use it so I wouldn't worry about it too much...

Anyway Hawks are simply better for harassing the enemy because of longer range. Spiders are better for closing with the enemy and engaging them with fire.
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Old 11 Apr 2005, 21:08   #7 (permalink)
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I see the Spiders as a mobile fire-team. they jump in close, dakka-dakka-dakka, then jump back behind a nice thick wall. When you have the likelyhood of ending up 19" away from the enemy unit you just shot at, (12" range plus an average of 7" for the jump back (oh and it's 1/6 chance of death)) these things are very useful. Heavy armour, nasty guns, these guys do it for me.
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(oh and it's 1/6 chance of death))
agh stupid me :P

I read it as: 'if you roll a double one'
Instead of: if you roll a double, one...'

sorry :P

Anyway I agree with everything you've said. Anything that can end up 19 inches away from the enemy behind solid cover after shooting is a brilliant squad in my books (as I said before I prefer them to hawks) although hawks are the best at harassing IMO.
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Old 18 Apr 2005, 03:00   #9 (permalink)
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Guess I'll stick with the Hawks then...especially since I already have a squad of them...

I asked because if they weren't worth it, I would have shelled out the bucks to pick up a squad of spiders.....if they were the better choice for what I needed.

thanks everyone for the responses...

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Our pleasure. just glad we could help.
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