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Old 28 Nov 2004, 23:07   #1 (permalink)
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Hi people. Im new to 40K and my race of choice is eldar Ive played warhammer fantasy a little bit and understand most of the 40K rules. All i got right now are some guardians and a farseer but i hope to soon expand my army once i get some more money. Anywho here is the list i will want to have soon. Tell me what you guys think. I was trying to go with an original list that can still be effective.

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Farseer Guile on Jetbike, with Fortune, witchblade and pistol, ghosthelm
-111


Troops

20 Guardian Defender Squad with Warlock w pistol , CC weapon and conceal and Starcannon?
-243
20 Guardian Defender Squad with Warlock w pistol , CC weapon and conceal and Starcannon?
-243
10 Guardian Storm Squad with Warlock w pistol , CC weapon and conceal
Haywire grenades 30
-143

Elite
5 Scorpions with exarch with Scoprions claw 27
-107

Mounted in Falcon Scatter laser 25 holofield and spirit stone
-170

Fast attack
3 Shining Spears inc Exarch with skillful rider and evade
-185
5 Swooping Hawks with exarch with Web of skulls and sustained assult -167
2 Vypers* with Starcannons, -130

Total 1449

Okay well the basic plan is for the two big storm squads go up the center and absorb fire. The smaller squad will be behind the two bigger squads take out any vehicles that Then my Farseer will lead the Shining Spears around a flank. The Hawks will harrass my oppenents lighter infantry and the Vypers will fly around and shoot at pretty much anything. The Fire Dragons will be in the wave serpent and will be near the Shining Spears. I'm still new and havent actualy tried this list at all so anythoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 28 Nov 2004, 23:27   #2 (permalink)
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change 2 missile launchers for 2 starcannons or something, drop the 2 spirit stones, Vypers are open topped, which means u roll 2 dice instead of 1 and choose the highest of the 2, thus u'll never be likely to get a 1 or a 2, which is what the spirit stones affect

Defender squads are better than storm squads, and easier to buy. Plus maybe give them some weapon platforms, ur army looks pretty weak on heavy weapons, cos ur vypers might not survive long.

The shining spears, even with fortune, won't stand up to a good volley, too fragile. Same with swooping hawks

Swooping hawk exarch, drop the hawks talon, get web of skulls and shuriken pistol, and sustained assault, killer combo


I would suggest at least 1 combat element, maybe a squad of banshees instead of the wave serpent instead of the fire dragon

Can u give a wave serpent holofeild? if u can then do it. For big tanks, holofeild and spirit stones are a killer combo.



See, this is the problem with transition from fantasy to 40k, in fantasy a flank composed of units like farseer, shining spear and hawks would prolly be enough. But in 40k, everybody has str8 energy weapons and so forth, an army like mine, gimme 1 turn of shooting and i can tank out that entire flank to the last man.

You need some serious rethinking, the list is too fragile. But the large infantry base is good.
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Old 29 Nov 2004, 00:57   #3 (permalink)
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Ok well i changed the storms to defenders and gave them both starcannons. I switched my vypers also to starcannons? I toned down the Spears for some extra points and swapped the fire dragons with the scorpions for more of a melee edge. Better?
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first, mobile = Saim Hann

ok, this list looks even more fragile than Saim Hann.
-too many guardians, drop the squads and get 2 10 man w/ warlock,wychblade, conceal, 2fusion,haywire.
*-these are exellent tank hunter squads and can finish off the remnants of small squads.

-4 shining spears is a nono, only 3 and upgrades are exarch,skillful rider,brightlance. (BS5 brightlance? yes please)

-Banshees in serpent will take care of any hard to crack enemy combat units, 10 banshees no upgrades and a serpent w/ TL *starcannons will soften up the enemy unit.

-lose the SS on the Vypers and make them starcannons
* -take as many of these as possible as they are 65 points, expendable and good as hell.

-swooping hawks as mongoose said, much better as an EDS (exarch delivery system) same w/ the shining spears.


conclusion, not bad but could be better, change as suggested or play Saim Hann like me *;D
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I agree with dizzy. I gots a saim hann army and thats what yours sounds like, and dizz was right about the shining spears, i got 3 with exarch included and they do very well, it's almost pointless to have another.
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yup, EDS may be cheap but they are good.

Vypers people, Vypers, they are a neccecity for eldar.
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yeah, tho the hawks are only worth it if the exarch makes it there alive, which is very rare when ur facing somebody who knows what the exarch is capable of (I once had 24 power weapon attacks in one go)

I would take banshees over scorpions as they're much better can openers, with i think u lack

This is where i come into conflict with everybody else's opinion. I never use witchblades, but to each his own.


Then again, i don't like shining spear either, they're expensive and fragile, u must remeber to be ultra careful with them. For that amount of points i'd rather get 2 vypers. (Hey, its not BS 5 brightlance, but u get 2) or a falcon with starcannon, holofeild and spirit stones. In the 4th edition thats a killer.
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Banshees>scorps
I like banshees and wychblades myself.
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most of the players i play are marines.

The witchblade could prolly kill, at max, 1 tactical marines during the entire game.

15 points better spent elsewhere...
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I normally play marines but the wychblade kills rhinos quite well in combat patrol and works well on the remnant of all those nurgle marines.
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