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[PICS] Y'he Or'es Cadre vs New Tyranids 01.29.10 - 1850
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Old 31 Jan 2010, 02:41   #1 (permalink)
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Y'he Or'es Hunter Cadre

HQ – Shas’o Commander Dram’Ka
Missile Pod, Fusion Blaster; Shield Generator
2 Shield Drones, Multi-tracker, Stims, Iridium Armor, target lock
Bodyguard
Fusion Blaster, Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
Multi-tracker, 2 Gun Drones, Failsafe


HQ – Ethereal and Honor Guard
11 Honor Guard
Warfish
SMS, Burst Cannon
Multi-tracker, Targeting Array, Disruption Pod

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TROOPS – 9 Fire Warriors
All w/Pulse Rifles

TROOPS – 8 Fire Warriors
All w/Pulse Rifles

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ELITES – 6 Stealthsuits
1 Team Leader w/Fusion Blaster, Marker Drone, Target Lock
1 Stealthsuit w/Fusion Blaster

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FAST ATTACK – 8 Pathfinders
Hellfish
SMS, Burst Cannon
Multi-tracker, Targeting Array, Disruption Pod


FAST ATTACK – 7 Vespid

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HEAVY SUPPORT – Invincible
2 Burst Cannons, Railgun
Multi-tracker, Disruption Pod, Target Lock, Blacksun Filter

HEAVY SUPPORT – Killer
2 Burst Cannons, Railgun
Multi-tracker, Disruption Pod, Target Lock, Blacksun Filter


HEAVY SUPPORT – Lesser Important
Sky Ray w/2 Burst Cannons
Multi-tracker, Disruption Pod, Target Array


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TYRANIDS
HQ
The Parasite of Mortrex
Tyranid Prime
- Adrenal Glands
- Regeneration
- Scything Talons

Elite
Deathleaper

Troops
Ripper Swarm
- Spinefists
- Adrenal Glands
- Toxin Sacs
- Tunnel Swarm
Ripper Swarm
- Spinefists
- Adrenal Glands
- Toxin Sacs
- Tunnel Swarm
Ripper Swarm
- Spinefists
- Adrenal Glands
- Toxin Sacs
- Tunnel Swarm

Heavy Support
Mawloc
- Regeneration
Trygon Prime
- Adrenal Glands
- Regeneration
- Trygon Prime
Tyrannofex
- Rupture Cannon
- Adrenal Glands
-Regeneration
-Dessicator Larvae



MISSION: Capture and Control
DEPLOYMENT: Pitched Battle



DEPLOYMENT





TURN ONE - TYRANIDS





TURN ONE - TAU





TURN TWO - TYRANIDS
Ok, forgot to point out the Deathleaper. Dang, he blended in so well! Let's play, "Where's Deathleaper?"





TURN TWO - TAU
I forgot about Deathleaper completely. So I didn't draw the turn correctly. Just pretend the Deathleaper and Parasite switched places.

AND MY OPPONENT CRIED CHEESE ON THE TAU!






TURN THREE - TYRANIDS





TURN THREE - TAU





TURN FOUR - TYRANIDS





TURN FOUR - TAU








TURN FIVE - TYRANIDS





TURN FIVE - TAU




===VICTOR===
Tau hold 0 of 0 Objectives. The point is irrelevant, Tau win by default of wipe out.



Post-Game Carnage Report
I lost 13 Fire Warriors, 7 Vespid, the Stealthsuits, and 2 Shield Drones. Total: 467 points lost.

Tyranids lost everything. Total: (Didn't calculate, about 1850 of course).

1383 point difference.


Y'he Or'es Cadre
Victories:14 Ties:1 Losses:2


What was that one quote I remember seeing for the first time earlier today? Oh yeah...

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Old 31 Jan 2010, 03:00   #2 (permalink)
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That Tyranid list is terrible. It has no scoring units and not enough firepower to compensate by permanently playing for Annihilation. I'm astonished it's even the same points value as you. With all due respect, Marksman, this isn't the best game to go rubbing in Ender's face. :P

You played a good game but your opponent failed at even building a moderately competitive list and it was a train wreck from there.
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Indeed, that's quite possibly the single worst new 'nid list I've ever seen. Where the hell is...well, EVERYTHING?!

Ripper swarms? He took two "characters", three MCs, and...rippers. Nothing but rippers. He's got 300 points spent on the Parasite and Deathleaper, just taking a guess but around 700-ish on MCs in heavy support, and the rest is spent on ripper bases. Nothing but ****ing rippers!?

Some warriors would have been great, not only would he have had something that could actually score in this objective mission, but he would have had an easier time keeping his one tyrannofex in synapse range. Which is his next mistake, he only took one, Regeneration isn't going to save you when you're one of the only things on the table and the entire opposing army's firepower is going to be coming your way. I bet you anything if he at least had two of them with a unit of warriors screening them and keeping them in a Synapse bubble he'd have presented more of a challenge.

I just...I really don't get it, what is up with the people in your area and their complete ineptitude when it comes to list-writing? Was this guy one of those bitter internet whiners who has no idea what the hell he's talking about, who thinks "OMG TYRANIDS ARE TEH SUCK NOW!!!1" and wrote this list out of spite, because "lolz rippers are teh only thing good in teh new 'dex"? Or was he trying to go for some kind of ripper theme with the Parasite of Mortrex (who has some really horrifying background I have to say, like Alien but 1000 times worse!) leading the way? I just don't get it, I'd think the Parasite would be a good leader for a warrior-heavy army if you want a theme, since he's basically a winged warrior that injects you with ripper love. You can't even screen the tyrannofex with rippers, not that he would have even if he could because he chose to Deep Strike all of them, so they have almost no use at all in this list.

I just...argh, it hurts! Why, why, WHY? Terribad list is terribad!
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Yeah, marksman... that was an awful Nid list. And player, for that matter. "Hey, lets place ONE tyrannofex against an entire Tau army, and see what happens!"

It dies. And doesn't do shit
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Now, on to your opponent, since I've made my own thoughts abundantly clear on your own list. I won't deny that your tactics are good, it's only your list

No scoring units (I mean, seriously. He picks RIPPERS as his troops? When you have Genestealers, Warriors, and potentially TERVIGON?)
No Zoanthropes, nor Doom of Malan'tai, nor Yrmigarl Genestealers (THOSE would have hashed your Ethereal unit in half a heartbeat). Elites are the new heavy for nids, and it looked like he forgot to even use Deathleaper's abilities.
Heavy Deep Strike with nothing that ups his reserve rolls. Begging for disaster, as shown in this BatRep.

Whomever you were playing, don't play them again until thy buy themselves a brain. The list looks like it was made by throwing darts at a board while blindfolded, then adding upgrades to fill up spare points (not even sure about that last part, as the list looks a bit shy of your point value and I don't have the codex on me atm to check).

Out of curiosity, what format do you play? Are the lists tooled or TAC? Mission by agreement beforehand or random, and if agreed do you get to write your list after agreeing and you know what you're doing? I never see you go for objectives, and I never see your opponents attempting to hold them either.
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Yeah, marksman... that was an awful Nid list. And player, for that matter. "Hey, lets place ONE tyrannofex against an entire Tau army, and see what happens!"

It dies. And doesn't do shit
And right out in the open, too! The biggest kick in the nuts is the fact that there was plenty of cover around the thing he could have used, but DIDN'T.
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My god that list was terrible on the nid side. I've barely skimmed the tyranid codex and even I can tell that literally any other possible legal combination would have been better than that. :/

Marksman, I gotta ask who you keep playing against. Are they real people? I mean, I find it hard to believe that this was anything other than a first time gamer, or just you...
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I dunno, whenever I sit down to actually play the game I make a lot of stupid decisions, too. I have a decent list, but I play like a moron, lol.
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Out of curiosity, what format do you play? Are the lists tooled or TAC? Mission by agreement beforehand or random, and if agreed do you get to write your list after agreeing and you know what you're doing? I never see you go for objectives, and I never see your opponents attempting to hold them either.
I have played against every single kind of player of all experience levels, against every single army (except Chaos Daemons), and against all comer's, tooled lists (even those army lists believed to be "specialized" against Tau), tournament lists, tournament-winning lists, and tournament winners. I play people from experienced veterans with 20+ years of tabletop strategy games to just started. My opponents are always picked at random, and I usually have never met them before.

Results between them are never different. The only difference is how long my opponent can survive really, and only then sometimes. I always win by wipe out or close to it. But most of my best games aren't on Vassal, they're on the board.


I like this one because I did it fighting with my arm tied behind my back. I literally withheld over half of my available firepower on some occasions just to see which way was most efficient.



How about this then. Get at least 3 people together. Between you, create an 1850 Tyranid army list specifically designed to beat my Y'he Or'es Cadre. Give that army list to Hive Fleet Goliath (I know he likes to try and play me on Vassal or at the GW store) and let's see what happens. If I win, I guarantee you, the exact same things will be repeated. "Stupid opponent.", "Worthless army list." "Dumb luck." If I tie, it'll probably be mixed reviews. If I lose, no matter how close the game may be, or how much bad luck I get, I will be given floggings about how terrible I really am, just getting lucky or what-not. I'm almost willing to bet my TO membership on that.
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I'm pretty sure Goliath already wants to play you and has the 1850 list in hand as we speak. :P
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