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Old 15 Dec 2006, 05:27   #1 (permalink)
whitestar333
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Default Upcoming Game 1500 pts - Need advice!

Okay so my friend has been redesigning his Chaos army from Khorne to undivided and he wants to play a 1500 point game with me this weekend when I get home, and I'm kinda worried and need some advice on which of the three Ghost Colors I should use. His list is going to look something like this:

Chaos Lord with Daemonic Stature, Daemonic Flight, Terminator Armor, Dread Axe (ignores invulnerable!)
3 Obliterators
5 squads of 8 marines with a lascannon
1-2 havoc squads with 4 heavy bolters
0-1 predator - autocannon and heavy bolters
1 defiler (mutated hull)

I'm pretty worried as I have not really faced any marine armies set-up like this yet (surprising, yes, i know) and I'm really worried about his Chaos lord in particular.
Here are my options:

[size=12pt]Belac Arithdris - The Way of the Red Shadow[/size]
HQ Autarch Mear Gorashtann "Swift Jesting Ghost"- Jetbike, Mandiblasters, Fusion Gun, Laser Lance - 140

Elites Harlequins (10) - Kisses + Shadowseer - 250

Troops Dire Avengers (10) - Exarch w/ Twin-Cats and Bladestorm - 152
in a Waveserpent - TL-Starcannons, Shuricannon, Spirit Stones, Vectored Engines - 130
Troops Dire Avengers (10) - Exarch w/ Twin-Cats and Bladestorm - 152
in a Waveserpent - TL-Starcannons, Shuricannon, Spirit Stones, Vectored Engines - 130

Fast Shining Spears (3) - Exarch w/ Withdraw - 152

Heavy Fire Prism - Holo Fields, Spirit Stones - 160
Heavy Fire Prism - Holo Fields, Spirit Stones - 160

Total: 1496 pts

[size=12pt]Belar Orkantainn - The Route of the Green Spirit[/size]
HQ Farrseer Dorch-Edi "Unseen Colors" (Represented by Eldrad Ulthran) 210

Elites Harlequins (10) - Kisses + Shadowseer - 250

Troops Wraithguard (10) - Warlock w/ Conceal - 396
Troops Dire Avengers (10) - Exarch w/ Twin-Cats, Bladestorm - 152

Heavy Dark Reapers (5) - Exarch w/ Tempest Launcher, Crack Shot - 217
Heavy Wraithlord - Scatter Laser, Starcannon - 140
Heavy Vibrocannons (2) - Warlock w/ Conceal - 140
Total: 1505 pts

[size=12pt]Belah Addan-carrec - The Path of White Souls[/size]
HQ Farrseer Dorch-Edi "Unseen Colors" (Represented by Eldrad Ulthran) 210

Elites Harlequins (10) - Kisses + Shadowseer - 250

Troops Wraithguard (10) - Warlock w/ Conceal, Singing Spear - 399
Troops Dire Avengers (10) - Exarch w/ Twin-Cats, Bladestorm - 152
Wave Serpent - TL-Starcannons, Shuricannon, Spirit Stones, Vectored Engines - 165

Heavy Fire Prism - Holo Fields, Spirit Stones - 160
Heavy Fire Prism - Holo Fields, Spirit Stones - 160

Total: 1496


Which do you think is more promising? Knowing how static he will be I'm partial to the White Souls because of the fire prisms (large blast template S6 AP3... mmmmm) in combination with the tough wraithguard unit so that he will fire at the fire prisms and not the guard, but I'm weak in the number of scoring units I have. I like the Dark Reapers in the Green Spirit list. Plus I feel like vibrocannons will be invaluable if he does decide to take the defiler (i can redeploy my vibrocannons to get in perfect position!) not to mention I know his squads will be lined up for some nice vibrocannon volleys in the green list, but I feel the wraithlord won't earn his points back and just waste points, but I can't find much else that will fit with the theme of that list. I like the Red Shadow list the most I think, because it is very fast and I will be able to literally run around his static marines. I'll have fire prisms to take down his troops in swarths and I have my autarch and shining spears to cause havoc provided I can find some nice cover. My problem with the red list is that I'm vulnerable if he takes the defiler, although the precision of having two mounted avenger squads plus fire prisms I feel will make it easy to shoot-to-kill. He was going to take plasma originally but he decided to nix them in order to take more havocs and tool up his lord, but that's good because now I don't have to worry quite as much if I take wraithguard.

I really try not to tailor lists to my opponents but in order to shrink down to 1500 points I had to beef up my wave serpents, and I want to try out starcannons now that they're only Heavy 2, to evaluate if they're still a viable option.

I'm really torn between the lists, so any suggestions would be more than welcome!!! Just keep in mind that I need A) 8-10 Harlequins as "compulsory" B) any suggestions to a list should at least try to keep the theme in mind (i.e. speedy = red, "static" = green, mix = white)
Otherwise I could really use some suggestions, even as to how I should deploy etc. I don't think I'll be able to survive in a straight shoot-out with his marines, so I'm leaning more towards a mobile eldar list, and hopefully flank him. Still, I really want to have some sort of firebase. I basically need some grounding on which direction to head. Thanks in advance!
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