[Trogdor]

I wonder wether or not the people around here have their own personal canons, ignoring certain portions of given fluff.

I for myself tend to ignore the stupidity that is the entire "orcs are fungi and procreate asexually by spores"-thingy. The explanation is wacky at best. I mean come on... mushrooms with algae? You know what those are called? Lichenes! I assure you that there is nothing less savage and dangerous than a friggin´ lichen with slugga and choppa... aside from the fact that lichen grow extremely slowly, while orcs are described to be able to grow considerably in size in relative short periods of time.

I also do not care one bit for all the upgrades a marine gets, like acid glands in his mouth (pointless), a second heart and a third lung (where do they keep those? They have to go somewhere...) and so on.

Call me a naysayer, but there quite some portions within 40k-canon that I severly dislike, funny thing is that most of them concern alien or human biology (seems to come with my field of studies ).

But enough of my petty little quabbles here, are there points of 40k fluff you tend to rather ignore? Perhaps space orang utans? Or do you hate the brainboys? Let us know!

Greetz, Trogdor

[Vash113]

Err... both of the things you mentioned can't really be ignored. Orks growing from spores is an important part of their fluff and the main reason its so bloody hard to get rid of them once they arrive on a planet.

As for Space Marine implants that is also important, each one plays an important role in the function of the marine and the Implantation Ritual is one of the more well documented aspects of the Space Marines.

Anyway as for personal canon yes and no. I don't ignore anything in particular, only BL novels or publications that themselves contradict the majority of the canon. Take the books Deus Sanguinius and Deus Encarmine, in them the Blood Angels lose hundreds of marines, out of thousands in the Chapter. Obviously dead wrong fluff wise, so consider it on the ignored list. But those are very few and far between in general. Mostly the only fluff that can safely be ignored is what has been directly retconned.

[enderwiggin]

Belchers glands are actually very useful.

In case the marine is captured/imprisoned (thought fluffwise he could just break the wall down), or in survival situations.
I could see a tough to digest meal for a human being considerably easier for a SM.


I disregard Goto's fluff, but in return, I also deny some of the supposed qualities of the Eldar.

I don't care for IG, DE, or Space Wolves. They're goofy for the most part, being too much or too little of a threat.

I disregard the notion that the Tau are weaker than humans, TT wise they have the potential to be considerably stronger than a human if we are to believe the exponential aspects of stats.

Oh yes, here's a big one that sticks to people poorly. I believe Firewarrior is perfectly acceptable canon!

[khanaris]

Originally Posted by Slave to the Bell.

I disregard the notion that the Tau are weaker than humans, TT wise they have the potential to be considerably stronger than a human if we are to believe the exponential aspects of stats.

They aren't in the regular background. The first Index Xenos article explained that the average Fire Caste Tau is at least as strong as the average human, and possibly stronger if drawn from certain septs. The weakness of the Tau in close combat is related to other deficiencies.

[enderwiggin]

Originally Posted by Khanaris

They aren't in the regular background. The first Index Xenos article explained that the average Fire Caste Tau is at least as strong as the average human, and possibly stronger if drawn from certain septs. The weakness of the Tau in close combat is related to other deficiencies.

Yes, but I didn't say "weak in CC". I imagine their eyes have a large amount to do with it combined with their doctrine. It's just the general gamers populace seems to think "weak in CC = physically weak". I want to see a Tau punch through a brick wall when his Aun dies!

To some degree though, I admit the TT game is not the fluffiest. :P

But it does bring to mind Kroot, fluffwise they should have a lot more options when it comes to wargear. I daresay the most, second only to the Imperium (I'm counting archaeotech stuff)! Yet, for all their worth Tau get the stripped down varieties. :P

[Zen]

As a rule of thumb, I consider fluff in the Codexes, Dan Abett's, Grav Thrope's, William Kings' and Sandy Mitchell's work as canon.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by Vash113

Err... both of the things you mentioned can't really be ignored. Orks growing from spores is an important part of their fluff and the main reason its so bloody hard to get rid of them once they arrive on a planet.

As for Space Marine implants that is also important, each one plays an important role in the function of the marine and the Implantation Ritual is one of the more well documented aspects of the Space Marines.

You are right, it is not easy to ignore, but I try my best :P

Only because something is written to be a core aspect does not protect it from being nonsense. I seriously wish they had explained the green threat by other, more belivable means.

So my way out is to assume that the magis biologi are simply incompetent and completely misinterpreted the completely alien concepts of orc procreation.

To clarify my view on the SM implants: I like the general idea, but things like acid glands, additional copies of organs and so on are either ridiculous or beg the question of space management inside the chest cavity.

While it certainly is following the "rule of cool", it certainly makes not alot of sense.

And it is quite easy to inore the SM´s implants, since they have zero impact on either the feeling of the army, nor do they provide any useful storytelling device. They are just trivia, not an essential part of the SM identity.

Maybe I should note that I tend to not only ignore blatant contradictions in the fluff, but everything that goes against my feeling of "suspension of disbelieve".
I accept orcs to be in space (as opposed to maybe hunting Frodo Baggins), I accept SMs to be genetically augmented supermen.
But if the fluff goes against plain logic, even and especially inside the set parameters of a fictional universe, I simply ignore it.

We all accept Superman to be able to fly, shoot laser from his eyes, being able to lift just about everything he desires to, and so on.
But still we all moan when he disguises himself with a pair of glasses and differently combed hair and not even Louis even suspects anything...

Same here

Greetz, Trogdor

[Genmotty]

There is many more than 1 million worlds in the Imperium. While there may be ~1,000,000 under the 'control' of the High Lords of Terra at any one time, there must/should be about 10-20 times more not. Otherwise it is conceivable you could slot two or three Imperiums into the Galaxy with each one never knowing the other. As we know the Imperium pick up Xenos infrequently, hence it is safe to assume that it is a bit larger, in my opinion.

Second. Shas'O are not in the direct line of command in the Tau Empire, they and other 'O lie above the directorial work of the 'El and are the professors and teachers of their professors, more than actually the most privileged.

Third. No pheromone control, pheromone influence certainly. But Tau are not at the beck and call of the Aun. They mealy revere them.

While the Imperial Navy and Guard don't share Aeronautica, I believe that 'rogue' commanders more often and not get Naval Craft directly under their command, untill an Inquisitor drops by to chat.

Fifth. Tau skimmers can't break to orbit. Nor can they cancel gravitational attraction. They might be able to minimise an objects weight, but not nullify it.

Sixth. Tau skimmers go much faster than IA makes out.

Seventh. Typical Tau colony population: 100,000 to 3,000,000. Typical Tau populated planet population: 60,000,000 to 120,000,000. Typical Tau Sept system population: 500,000,000 to 1,000,000,000. Typical Tau Sept population. 3,000,000,000 to 10,000,000,000. Total Tau population: ~200,000,000,000 (Just my rough estimate, rather than anything in fluff. Just Tau cities aren't very big compared to humans, and have much smaller populations.)

Genmotty

[khanaris]

Originally Posted by Genmotty

There is many more than 1 million worlds in the Imperium. While there may be ~1,000,000 under the 'control' of the High Lords of Terra at any one time, there must/should be about 10-20 times more not. Otherwise it is conceivable you could slot two or three Imperiums into the Galaxy with each one never knowing the other. As we know the Imperium pick up Xenos infrequently, hence it is safe to assume that it is a bit larger, in my opinion.

Why is that inconceivable? The 5th Edition rulebook does mention that the vast majority of the galaxy has never been explored by the Imperium.

[Red_dog]

Here few things I do not accept.

- Bluntly ignoring simple physics. Especially rail gun "effect" description is utter BS. Any person with simple knowledge can understand that energy will over ride any other effect. I would never follow this description. At point of rail gun solid shot impact, there is nothing but huge high energy explosion and then smoking pile of rubble.

- Fanboyz. No matter how much "sense" it might make, when I see it, I disregard it. Period. When battle happens with no casualties because someone is sooo ubber cool and flexing his nuts, and etc. -> it is not only silly, but simple not interesting. Everyone will loose some day.
***Example: I consider that when space marines are out smarted and outgunned they WILL loose and not win despite all odds because they are humanity great defenders. I only consider any fluff valid when it is done thru "mind games" and not muscle flexing. Especially when it comes to humans, orks or tau. As soon as I see heroic interventions, I stop reading. I was completely fine with fact that blood axes beat the crap out of farsight in new ork codex. He fought blood axes, - one of the most cunning beings in galaxy and lost. I am not surprised, its not fanboyism, its logical conclusion. Orks have been fight longer then he was. ***

P.S. I am actually more acceptable with biology, simply because, biology is more complex then simple physics. If simple physics is being violated, then I start ring the bell. When the alien fungus happend to grow faster that the once we have on earth, I can accept that.

Walk Tall everyone!!!!!