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Old 04 Oct 2007, 20:23   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, I really dont get how the whole Garro/Iacton Qurze fit into the history properly.

Garro was a vet of the wars of Unification right?, which was before the Primarches were made? which should mean he doesn't have the geneseed and not be a full marine, but he is. Or was it Tarvitz that was a vet of the war of unification? even so, the same applies to him. If Garro was just a Marine that was from Terra before they found Mortarian, fair enough, that makes sense.

Was Qurze a Vet of the wars of Unification? as I'd understand him being that as he is refferred to as a relic. But what I dont get is how he can be an earlier generation of Marine, and yet be from Cthonia. Surely the wars of Unification come before the Emporer left earth?

Anybody got any answers for me, it's been proper annoying me. I cant stand reading through something when a part of it doesn't fit properly in my head.
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As far as I know, yes, the wars of unification were BEFORE the big E left earth or had any contact with other worlds.

Is this the same Garro of the Death Guard who stayed loyal?
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Garro was a vet of the wars of Unification right?, which was before the Primarches were made? which should mean he doesn't have the geneseed and not be a full marine, but he is. Or was it Tarvitz that was a vet of the war of unification? even so, the same applies to him. If Garro was just a Marine that was from Terra before they found Mortarian, fair enough, that makes sense.
Garro is from Terra. It says it in the book.


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Was Qurze a Vet of the wars of Unification? as I'd understand him being that as he is refferred to as a relic. But what I dont get is how he can be an earlier generation of Marine, and yet be from Cthonia. Surely the wars of Unification come before the Emporer left earth?
I don't think he was a vet of the wars of unification as he is defiantly a space marine...
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I know some of the characters in the book are vets of the wars of unification, cant remember who exactly but im sure at least one of Qurze, Garro or Tarvitz is.
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Then I think Qurze would be the one....It does not make sense...
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Hey, my ret-con sense is tingling!

Maybe thats why it makes less than sense.
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Old 05 Oct 2007, 17:14   #7 (permalink)
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Space Marines where made made before the Wars of Unification and were the leading forces in the Emperors Crusades. The Space Marines were made out of the dregs of the Primarches research and there was a legion made for each Primarch. During the Crusades each legion was reuited with their parent Primarch so they both are true Space Marines. Just to clarify.
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I'm sure it says in the fluff that the Emp won Earth with early proto Space Marines. Still, even if he did work on the Primarches before he won earth in the Wars of Unification, meaning he won them with regular Marines. How did he have Cthonians as Space Marine recruits?

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I thought the Emperor started the Primarch program was started after he won the Wars of Unification?
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Yeah, the chronology as I know it is:

War of Unification - Emperor uses genetically enhanced soldiers equipped with "Thunder Armour" (Mk 1 Power Armour).

Emperor Creates Primarchs.

Primarchs Lost - Emperor uses residual genetic material to create the Space Marines.

Great Crusade kicks off.


In short, there were no Space Marines before the Primarchs. There may have been something similar, but they weren't Marines.
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