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Old 10 Jul 2007, 11:15   #1 (permalink)
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I have a question about the Christian religion in terms to the 40k universe. What's the deal? With all stuff that's happened I've been to left with several idea's, the one i like to believe the most is the game takes place post-rapture, but it seems most likely as to deny the existence of a "Jesus" God. Does anyone have any other Ideas?
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Old 10 Jul 2007, 11:55   #2 (permalink)
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Shouldn`t this be in the "40K Universe" subboard?

Nonetheless, while the time is apparently A.D., christianity as a religion seems to be long dead and forgotten, like so many other religions are already forgotten now. There is the God Emperor, and nothing else for the Imperium (well, at least nothing else "tolerated", apart from the Machine God).

In my opinion, christian beliefs have nothing to do with the 40K universe - there is no place for the Christian idea of "God" in this dark Millenium.
While certain Christian themes are used (I refer thee to "Cypher", "Luthor" and the whole fallen angels stuff), as well as the idea of a "chosen" one (the Emperor) who sacrifices himself for the well-being of his people, there is no direct reference to Christianity (although, I believe the name "Abaddon" is mentioned in the bible someplace).

Basically, it is just science fiction gone wrong with a dose of goth feeling for good measure.

It can be compared to Star Wars or Star Trek - no one is asking where our present day religions are there.
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Old 10 Jul 2007, 11:58   #3 (permalink)
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I see your view where it's at some point the Christian religion falls apart and is forsaken, does anybody have any other theories?
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Probably what they do with most cult religions they find when human planets are discovered. Basically, God is actually the Emperor, and Jesus is Roboute Guilliman or something.

Rather than destroy it, it is simply converted to being about the Emperor all along.
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Old 10 Jul 2007, 12:27   #5 (permalink)
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Another thing we shouldn`t forget is that Christianity (along with most other religions on Earth) will most likely never surivive for long after the first contact to an alien civilisation has been made.

The mere existence of life outside of Earth would open too many questions - aren`t humans supposed to be God`s best creation? What about the newcomers? Are they "things to shoot at"? A teast of our faith? Do they have their own God? How come they have never heard about such a thing as our "God", for surely, they have to be created by the same allmighty being that made us... etc. etc.

It is difficult maintaining the classic biblical christianity without much rethinking and reimagining.

Religions like Buddhism will have a much easier time adapting, I suppose...
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Old 10 Jul 2007, 12:35   #6 (permalink)
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God is either:
a) A figment of humanity's imagination. He does not exist.
b) A Chaos Daemon.
All gods are Daemonic in some way or another. Even the Emperor (although he is, arguably, a "Good" Chaos God, he'd be the only one because he started Mortal).
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Old 10 Jul 2007, 13:35   #7 (permalink)
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Remember that line in Futurama where a mechanical translator starts spewing French and everyone looks at it, saying that "it's coming up with some weird, dead language"?

Nothing lasts forever, even with the normal ebb and flow of cultures and civilizations. Do you really think that Christianity could survive 38,000 years of devastation, warfare, extraterrestrial contact, draining of oceans, robot rebellion, and galactic conquest?



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Old 10 Jul 2007, 13:46   #8 (permalink)
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I believe the correct lines were:

(something about a translator that will translate anything of every language)

Farnsworth: "...but unfortunately currently it just translates to an already extinct language"
Fry: "Hello"
Machine: "BONJOUR!"
Farnsworth: "STUPID GIBBERISH!" (slaps the machine)
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No, it wasn't an "extinct" language, it was some sort of insult, like "obscure and pointless".
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Old 10 Jul 2007, 14:04   #10 (permalink)
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Nothing lasts forever, even with the normal ebb and flow of cultures and civilizations. Do you really think that Christianity could survive 38,000 years of devastation, warfare, extraterrestrial contact, draining of oceans, robot rebellion, and galactic conquest?
Probably, with all of that war and disaster, humans just started thinking God simply didn't exist, because she wasn't helping them out.

So.... When the Emperor came to be, he was really the only God they had.
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