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Old 08 Jun 2007, 12:43   #1 (permalink)
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So here's something about which I've been thinking for some time now (well...ever since I started my Ork army). So according to the current *gag* storyline, the Orks and Eldar were created by the Old Ones to fight their enemies - correct? So would it be possible / likely that the Orks & Eldar would ever ally?

Also, the Eldar obviously manipulate races on a regular basis (or attempt to) so would they be able to convince the Orks to ally with them to some extent?

Any ideas would be welcome. Discuss.
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Old 08 Jun 2007, 12:45   #2 (permalink)
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The orks are too violent and crude, the eldar too sophisticated and arrogant.

As simple as that. The math will do the rest.

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Old 08 Jun 2007, 13:14   #3 (permalink)
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Orks will fight as long as there is enough promise of fighting and looting. They are thus good mercenaries. However they will fight on their contractors once they run out of things to fight.


Eldar will achieve their ends no matter the means, if it means hiring or allying with a lesser race and then pre-emptively destroying them later, so be it.


I see no reason why Eldar and Orks can't unite.
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Old 08 Jun 2007, 16:39   #4 (permalink)
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I don`t think the Eldar would go as far as hiring these barbarians. They would probably find more exquisite ways to "use" the Orks - for example, kill off the warlord and "replace" him with a warboss who wants to lead the WAAAAGH! into the right direction (i.e. away from the Eldar, towards their enemy). This even already happened once (dunno the exact story, though...).
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Old 08 Jun 2007, 16:42   #5 (permalink)
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I would like to point your attention to DOWark Crusade where Farseer Taldeer uses Orks who didn't want to follow Gorgutz to defend her base.

I can easily imagine eldar doing this on quite a regular basis.
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The Eldar, it is implied, successfully rerouted the Ork Waaagh Scraghurtz as it was about to career through the nascent Tau Empire. I would imagine they do this sort of thing a dozen times before breakfast. Fits their style, y'know. Rather than phoning in sick for work they'd encourage five of their colleagues to show

I'm not sure Orks see it as manipulation if they get a fight out of it.

Yes, Eldar and Orks are two peas in a pod. Well....the Orks *are* the pod, the Eldar are the peas. Of course, Orks don't see it that way, but still...
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The Eldar, it is implied, successfully rerouted the Ork Waaagh Scraghurtz as it was about to career through the nascent Tau Empire. I would imagine they do this sort of thing a dozen times before breakfast. Fits their style, y'know.
Yes, and I might mention that they did the same thing to Armageddon.
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The Eldar, it is implied, successfully rerouted the Ork Waaagh Scraghurtz as it was about to career through the nascent Tau Empire. I would imagine they do this sort of thing a dozen times before breakfast. Fits their style, y'know.
Yes, and I might mention that they did the same thing to Armageddon.
I knew there was a far more obvious and prominent one that I was totally forgetting! Bloody details....<mutter grumble>
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Old 09 Jun 2007, 02:36   #9 (permalink)
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The Eldar, it is implied, successfully rerouted the Ork Waaagh Scraghurtz as it was about to career through the nascent Tau Empire. I would imagine they do this sort of thing a dozen times before breakfast. Fits their style, y'know.
Yes, and I might mention that they did the same thing to Armageddon.
I knew there was a far more obvious and prominent one that I was totally forgetting! Bloody details....<mutter grumble>
"It was he [Eldrad] who guided us to the Ork known as Ghazghkull, and commanded us to steer his path towards your world of Armageddon. Ten thousand Eldar lives would have been lost had he not done so. What sacrifice is a million humans for such a cause?"

I have a sneaking suspicion that the death toll on Armageddon would have been in the billions, but the point stands...
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Old 09 Jun 2007, 03:38   #10 (permalink)
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Great input so far guys. This has confirmed what I thought. However, do you think that Orks have a lingering realization of their true purpose? Mekboyz, Painboyz have an inherent understanding of certain skills. Is it possible that Orks have a sensation of purpose that could be awakened?

At this point I'm just curious about opinions. I'd like to eventually run a larger game between my son's Space Marines and a combined force of Eldar & Orks and I'm just wondering how far I can go with the "cooperation" fluff.

On the other side of things, how gullible are Orks? I would say not very. They can be manipulated by playing off of their natural love for fighting (i.e. forcing internal strife or hiring as mercenaries). However, could they be convinced of something by an outside power?
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