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Did scouts exist pre-heresy?
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Old 16 May 2007, 08:43   #1 (permalink)
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Default Did scouts exist pre-heresy?

I wish to know wether scouts existed pre-heresy. As i want to know if i can use them in my Fallen Angels army. I want it to be as fluffy as possible so i need to know. If they didnt then i'll add another rino to my list, or maybe an extra five guys to my dev squad.
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Old 16 May 2007, 09:15   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Did scouts exist pre-heresy?

I'm sure Scouts were mentioned in the Horus Heresy books, but as I understand it they were not widely used.
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I would say they did... Because, arnt scouts pretty much spacemarines before the 'operation' has started or finished?
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The "operation" I thought was different in those days, the making of a space marine was different, so scouts as wannabe marines maybe didn't happen. I should think there were advanced recon units however, so they would have had scout units.
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Yeah... That works, you could just change there name to fit in with fluff
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The "operation" I thought was different in those days, the making of a space marine was different, so scouts as wannabe marines maybe didn't happen. I should think there were advanced recon units however, so they would have had scout units.
Nope, they were made the same way they are now... though each Legion was a little different (just as each Chapter is a little different).
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Old 16 May 2007, 13:11   #7 (permalink)
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There were certainly differences to how marines are made now. For one thing a marine could be created in the space of a year - this is one of the contributing factors of the Horus Heresy, as this incredible rate of production resulted in instabilities and mutations in the gene seed of a number of chapters which the Chaos gods were able to use to corrupt the legions. The current system of marine creation was only codified after the Heresy in the Codex Astartes.
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Old 16 May 2007, 19:41   #8 (permalink)
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That's a very good question, it's not something I've considered before. Unfortunately I don't know of any references that say whether or not they did exist and if I were to speculate, I can come up with reasons to support whether or not they existed. For now, to be safe I wouldn't include them as so far, I haven't read anything in the Horus Heresy novels that indicate they exist, any references of imperial scouting activities seem to implicate 'standard' marines doing it.

Can anyone provide us with a solid reference?
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Old 16 May 2007, 20:24   #9 (permalink)
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Due to the technological supremecy of the pre-heresy imperium I would say that there were no scouts as such, instead they were novice marines. This is due to the lack of "there's barely anyone who can make more power armour" problem. Besides, in the Horus Heresy books there seemes to be vastly superior scans and such. rendering scouts as they are un-needed between the scans and the better equipment available.
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