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Old 15 May 2007, 22:37   #1 (permalink)
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What would the Eldar need to do realisticly (fluff wise) for their empire to rise from th ashes? GW seems to down play the Eldar's true power more often than not... But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to imagine all the sort of toys a race as old as the Eldar would have access too.

Division between the Craftworlds...

Arrogance... Though it's hard to imagine the Eldar seeing themselves equals with infants in comparison to themselves... So any of the younger races minus the Nids and Necron would see them arrogant...

Lack of Allies... Rebuilding armies with your dieing people isn't smart at all...

These weaknesses need to be addressed before the rebuilding can begin... But then what?
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Old 15 May 2007, 22:45   #2 (permalink)
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To be honest - the Eldar, if united, could probably carve out an empire as they are now. According the the fluff, their technology and capacity is incredible. However, it is doubtful that they have the numbers to attain their former glory.

Likewise, there are powers at work in the galaxy that were not present during the original Eldar empire. They must be constantly on guard against She Who Thirsts, the Imperium & Empire are now powers. The forces of Chaos now have the benefit of traitor marines, and the Tyranids post a distinct threat to anything remotely chewable.

Finally, the Eldar would have to unite - and any power gained would potentially open them up to a second fall. So it is a catch 22 in that the fight for survival actually helps to hold them on the Path and, thus, ensures their survival.

I do not think a second rise is impossible. However, it is entirely improbable - but the Eldar can never cease to strive for that goal.

Personally, however, I really disdain discussions like this because a) GW will never have one group conquer the galaxy (thus the 'Nids will always be an imminent threat, the Tau will never surpass the Imbrium, and the Eldar will never reconquer the galaxy) and b) there are so many loopholes in GW fluff that it is almost impossible to make a definitive argument one way or the other.
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Old 15 May 2007, 23:04   #3 (permalink)
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Well the Eldar do have quite a lot of military might even now, however should they succeed in carving an empire for themselves they currently face too many enemies to hold it. A single guardian can be a powerful force fluff wise, but when the Eldar are outnumbered thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps millions to 1 its well... not good. One of the key components of the current survival of the Eldar is that they are nearly impossible to track down. They go to battle now and then but finding a craftworld, an inhabited exodite world, or even finding Cammoragh is far from easy.

What the Eldar really need to do is haul off to some desolate corner of the galaxy and unite. Continue to be mobile but refrain from fighting anything at all and certainly stop fighting each other. The Eldar just need to get their numbers up there are just too few of them. Gather the Exodites and leave the Darklings to their devices and do nothing but defend themselves as they increase their numbers. Working to actually have children would be another good thing.

The Eldar have a lot of technology but just like the Imperium they are losing it. You can't have a civilisation fall so far without losing anything. Many of their greatest craftsmen are long gone, many of the greatest feats of Eldar craftsmenship can no longer be duplicated and barely repaired. Take the webway for instance, the Eldar no longer have the means to repair and maintain the Webway and certainly not to build new pathways. The great dock of Ulthwe can't be duplicated and those are just a few examples, many craftworlds aren't in the greatest of shape. Kaelor is all but gone, Altansar had been lost and its current condition is hardly known, Eldrad Ulthran is dead and the Black Guardians mostly gone leaving Ulthwe weaker than ever, Saim Hann spends a lot of time fighting itself, Iyanden has suffered greatly and Biel Tan has taken significant losses lately, Alaitoc has also taken an immense number of cassualties in recent times. Powerful or not the Eldar just lack the numbers needed to rebuild any sizeable holding.

Another thing the Eldar could do would be ally with the Tau and carve out an empire adjacent to the Tau Empire, that way of the Imperium moved on one group they would be forced to move on both, where a crusade might be put together to crush one group and not leave the Imperium defenceless elsewhere, gathering the forces to face both enemies would leave the Imperium exposed and undefended almost everywhere which would be unacceptable, it would also garner more protection versus many other foes such as the Tyranids and Orks.
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Old 15 May 2007, 23:06   #4 (permalink)
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Personally, however, I really disdain discussions like this because a) GW will never have one group conquer the galaxy (thus the 'Nids will always be an imminent threat, the Tau will never surpass the Imbrium, and the Eldar will never reconquer the galaxy) and b) there are so many loopholes in GW fluff that it is almost impossible to make a definitive argument one way or the other.
I'm just a fan of the 40K Universe bro... I could go on for hours about GW's fluff loop holes like the lack of Chaos progress after the Eye Of Terror victory... But that's on them...
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Old 15 May 2007, 23:23   #5 (permalink)
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The Tau Empire and Eldar United massing their forces to watch each others backs... Interesting...
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Old 16 May 2007, 00:34   #6 (permalink)
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Ally with the Tau? Anything more than a very temporary alliance to meet some crucial objective would be unthinkable to the Eldar. The only Eldar who seems to have given two shits about the Tau is now dead, and it doesn't look like anyone else of his race feels the same way. Just look at how the two sides got on during Medusa V...
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Old 16 May 2007, 00:38   #7 (permalink)
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I think that if the Eldar and Tau were to team up, say good bye to the rest of Xenos and Imperium. Two incredibly powerful races that use technology and psyker (Only Eldar) to a great degree would be ungodly.

About losing technology, the Eldar could use some Earth Caste memebers to help them reclaim their old glory

In other words, really bad news

Just my two cents.
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Old 16 May 2007, 02:09   #8 (permalink)
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They won't. It's as simple as looking at what both want:

The Tau want a long relationship, and the Eldar look for a one night stand. It's how they like their dates that determines why they don't do such things.

Also, they ARE advanced, right? So if they are that advanced, would not cloning be useful (although there's probably something wrong with that and test tube babies for Eldar...)
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Old 16 May 2007, 02:23   #9 (permalink)
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Very unlikely. The greatest advantage the Eldar have against the Imperium is that they can not be pinned down in one place. If they abandoned the mobility of the Craftworlds and carved out an Empire with obvious borders, they would not be all that much better off than the Tau. They would survive only as long as they did not pose enough a threat to the Imperium to warrant their destruction.
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Old 16 May 2007, 02:47   #10 (permalink)
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Correction: They would only survive as long as the Imperium was occupied elsewhere with something far more pressing. The Imperium will crush anything that is non-IMP, and will do so without mercy; the only reason the Tau are still here is that they are not able to launch major strikes that would claim hundreds of worlds in an expansion (that and Bugs are scarier than little blue/grey men.)
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