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Old 09 May 2007, 20:13   #1 (permalink)
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Default Female space marines...

I was looking around the Fighting Tigers of Veda website when I came upon these questions...

* What physical changes would be associated with transforming a woman into a Space Marine? How would these differ from those used for men?

* What would a female Space Marine look like? Would female Marines retain (how can I put this delicately?) “feminine” body features? Could female Space Marines be considered “feminine” or “beautiful?” Would female Space Marines be able to reproduce? For that matter, can male Space Marines reproduce?

* Would female Marines think or feel emotions any differently from non-Marine women or male Space Marines? How would female Marines interact with women who were not Marines? With which group—“normal” women or male Marines—would female Marines more identify themselves with?

* Would female Marines be segregated from males? If not, how would male and female Marines interact on professional and personal levels?

* How would chapters without female Marines view chapters with female Marines? How would other organizations within the Imperium view female Marines? How would enemies?

What do you all think? I have never, in any bit of fluff ever made, seen a Space Marine female.
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Old 09 May 2007, 20:21   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Female space marines...

That very site answers some of the questions... or gives links to the answers.


http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarsgirls.html
- Why the site owner defends Female Space Marines.

http://www.geocities.com/Dasleahnomi...cemarines.html
- A fantastic topic about potential changes to Female Marines.
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Old 09 May 2007, 20:51   #3 (permalink)
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Well there are so few out there who are modeling Female Space Marines and maybe battle with them. I find the idea intriguing, as this is just a game and everyone likes to do something different once in a while. Although yes it seems a bit dumb in some cases, but then again, it's their army, they can do whatever they want to do with it.

Although it's impossible for the Imperium to create Female Space Marines as ranted/said in other forums/posts through time.

I for one would love to see a Female Space Marine army. As this is someones ideas with a lot of hard work. I would fully respect someone with an army.

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Old 09 May 2007, 22:56   #4 (permalink)
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It isn't impossible DA, its just highly improbable. (Y'know, kinda like a how a 'perfect race' created the god of pleasureful pain and porn)
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Old 10 May 2007, 05:37   #5 (permalink)
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It's impossible fluff-wise because all the stuff they shoot up the recruits is designed for males, and has been forever. So even IF you manage to counter it to work, the females would look like men anyway.
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Well from a technical standpoint its utterly impossible. The process for creating Space Marines is designed for a male physicality, and the Imperium can't even figure out how that process works anymore. Without that understanding it would be impossible to alter it to work for females since many of the implants would have to be altered, and even re-sized and/or relocated to fit inside a female frame (males are typically broader shouldered and chested giving more room in the chest cavity where females have wider hips for child bearing as an example), many of the implants also function off of hormones, hence why the initiate undergoing the transformation has to be young and growing, without the means to alter that process the females would have to be shot up with a massive ammount of testosterone and with the already immense instability of the process in many strains of gene-seed and throghout many chapters.

But that is the technical standpoint from the fluff. In real terms you can do whatever you wish but the cannon fluff does not allow for Female Marines, which is odd since there is usually room for almost anything. Thus you will have to invent your own answers to all those questions, the current fluff has none of them.
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Actually, this is a common misconception. I don't recall ever seeing anywhere that you cannot make Female Marines, it's just that it's never been done. We are told the creation process requires large amounts of testosterone, and as such is performed on pubescent males (world leaders in the stuff). However, it is never said that you can't make Female Marines. Fabius Bile is famous for creating "Super-Marines", so clearly anyone with a bit of imagination and the right gear could conceivably make a Female Astartes.
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Sorry WG but i'm with Vash on this, in an imperium stalwartly set in it's ways it seems highly unlikely that a process that is frankly biased towards altering the male physique would be adapted for the female body. Even if it were possible to do using the same technique without having to even alter them this is, as pointed out, the imperium. A female space marine?!? Heresy I say!

As for Fabius Bile, I never thought i'd hear him described merewly as someone "with a bit of imagination''

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Ah, Torik, let us not confuse the terms could and would.

I agree that in all likelyhood the Imperium would not create Female Marines. However, necessity is the mother of invention, and if it really came down to it I am sure that someone could pull it off. Where the choice between obliteration and having a Marine with breasts, the latter is the only logical choice.
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Actually, I believe in the Index Astartes article on the creation of a space marine, it does specifically state that the procedures involved do only work on males. Hell, the Emperor, the Omnissiah himself couldn't get it to work on females, I doubt there's much chance of it happening now.
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