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Old 08 Apr 2007, 01:09   #1 (permalink)
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I don't know about you, but I really think GW made a real cockup in getting rid of the squats (from a fluff standpoint). It's not really the elimination of the race itself that annoys me (they were getting to be a bit of a joke from what I remember), but the fluff justification for it.

For those of you who don't know, here we go: they were eaten by Tyranids. And that's it. And if you ask me, it stinks.

First of all, just what Tyranids were these supposed to have been? Look at the location of the Squat homeworlds (just south-west of the galactic core). Hive Fleet Leviathan seems close on those galactic maps, but it's still thousands of light years away. It could conceivably be a splinter of Hive Fleet Kraken, which as we know headed off towards the galactic core after the battles of Ichar IV and Iyanden. But if it is Kraken, then we are forced to believe that this great civilisation numbering at least hundreds and probably thousands of worlds was annihilated in just a few years by a handful of splinter fleets? It makes no sense, and just stinks of laziness, and an impatience on GW's part to stop what had become known as the "Squat Question" from arising again and again.

Apologies for the rant. I'm done now.

Anyway, what I put to you, fellow gamers, is this: is there any way that we could "fill in the blanks" on the demise of the Squats? After all, no matter what you thought of the army, it does seem rather callous to simply dispose of them with nothing more than a brief sentence and a rather dodgy premise. How could the Squats have fallen to the Tyranids, which surely couldn't have been that much of a threat (or is there something sinister going on that we don't know)? What was the war like? How many Squats survived, and what is their fate today? Do they have any actual links with the Demiurg? What did the Imperium do as one of its only allies was wiped from the face of the universe? Indeed, did the Imperium orchestrate the Squats' downfall, perhaps luring the Tyranids into the Squat homeworlds like they did with the Ork Empire of Octavius?

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Old 08 Apr 2007, 01:37   #2 (permalink)
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I'll have a go.


The Splinters of The Kraken hit the Squat Empire hard, and they lost hundreds of starships. Those that survived met with their elders, and it was decided to separate the species. One half, the Squats, would remain on their homeworld and rebuild their cities, while the other will head out towards the Tau Empire, under the alias of Demiurg, and secretly support their Squat friends. Unfortunately, the homeworld Squats realised that to repair their infrastructure, they would need to return to their ancestral mines. They struck some Liquid Metal.

Yeah, well, I tried.
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Old 08 Apr 2007, 02:03   #3 (permalink)
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They are definitely not the Demiurg. The Squats were abhumans, the descendents of the earliest waves of human colonization from Terra. The Demiurg are true Xenos. They share an archetype, but there is no direct link between them in terms of either technology or blood.
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Old 08 Apr 2007, 02:10   #4 (permalink)
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The splinter fleet of Hivefleet Leviathan ripped throughout the Squat empire, tearing their high-gravity worlds apart. The wisest ones and the elders forced other to escape, and to seek different homes in the galaxy, as either mercanaeries to other races, or to go deeper into the Imperium. But forever more, these extragalactic enemies would be their number-one enemies of all time. Many of the squats were too stubborn, and stayed to fight, which had killed off the majority. Other snuggled into the Imperium, in the deepest, largest Hive cities, they would find Squats selling their aid to those willing to fight the bugs. A small desert world, uhtadnelk, which was once under heavy Tyranid control, was conquored by the Squats, and is now home to the many Squats who want their empire back. A splinter of the squats went out to look as mercaneries for the Tau empire. These squats were the Demiurg, squats who saw that their small, once great empire of forge and liquor was at an end, and decided to join up with another race. The demiurg soon became a race in their own right, comehow completely splitting from their Squat bloodline. Either way, the race itself was becoming extinct...
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Id have to say that a rather large genestealer cult would have formed. This would have started the beacon for a fleet and the splinter fleet arived, but already had the genestealers weakened the polical and social fabric of the Squats that they were little trouble... (maybe the head squat was influenced by a Genestealer in some way)


And I dont think he ever said they WERE the demiurg...
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Old 08 Apr 2007, 02:57   #6 (permalink)
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Read it again. The problem is that the Demiurg and the Squats existed at the same time. The Demiurg could not have evolved from the Squats.
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Old 08 Apr 2007, 03:25   #7 (permalink)
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unless they are extremely close genetic lines that deviated over time, put that on a shirt and sell it!
on a more somber note, i would collect squats if they were still there, at least a biker-heavy army! ^_^!
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Old 08 Apr 2007, 03:30   #8 (permalink)
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A more lazy answer, they left. GW could have been much lazier.
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If they become TOO lazy, then it actually turns smart.


If you want an example of this, go to the urquan masters wiki and read up on the Precursor article.


Also, were the destruction of squats even during the same time as hive fleet leviathian?!
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Old 08 Apr 2007, 06:08   #10 (permalink)
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If they become TOO lazy, then it actually turns smart.


If you want an example of this, go to the urquan masters wiki and read up on the Precursor article.


Also, were the destruction of squats even during the same time as hive fleet leviathian?!
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I luff that game. But anyway, there could have been diplomatic relations between Squats and Demiurg.
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