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Old 26 Mar 2007, 20:46   #1 (permalink)
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Default Does Nurgle have a place in 40k?

As a god of Plague i can understand how the great unclean one fits into Fantasy, but does he fit in the futuristic setting? I do not discount his coolness and i think possibly the other gods (besides khorne) might have shaky foundations but what about poppa nurgle.
(i know this is a chaos themed topic but i am unfamiliar with that board)
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 20:49   #2 (permalink)
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maybe but i think its wise to show how nurgle adapts as time goes on including wargear and tactics and how as evoloution goes on they find better ways into the warp
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 20:52   #3 (permalink)
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Well Nurgle encompasses more than just plague. He encompasses Decay as well so yes he does have a place, and probably even a greater one in 40k than fantasy because fantasy is not in general decline like 40k. Plus, plagues will still be a threat in the future as not everyone could get medicine/vaccination and they wouldn't necessarily have the medicine/vaccinations created for every single type of plague.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 20:58   #4 (permalink)
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Nurgle is the god of despair. He gives solace and hope to the dying, the outcasts and the dregs of society. His love is unconditional, requiring only total submission to him and surrending of all hope.

The 40k universe is a place full of despair, where hope is rarely seen, in many ways Nurgle is the archetype god of 40k.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 21:14   #5 (permalink)
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Mutations baby! Nurgle is all about mutations, pestilence, and plague - big problems in the under-hives. Consider the squaller and filth that is contained under Forge World hives. Pretty much any of the gangs there are excellent candidates for Nurgle cultists.
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Old 26 Mar 2007, 21:20   #6 (permalink)
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No Tzeench is Mutation and Change.

Nurgle is plauge, dispair, filth and so on as said. The 40k universe is filthy and dirty. On the abttle field death and blood go to Khorne, but infection and puss, and so on go to Nurgle.

Nurgle is the great grandfather of the universe. If he wasnt there, then wed have over flowing graaves...
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Old 27 Mar 2007, 11:15   #7 (permalink)
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This is one of my favourite parts of 40k, the actual reasons somebody becomes a follower of Chaos.


With Khorne and Slannesh it's very clear to see how.


Nurgle however is very subtle, you need to have accepted your eventual fate in doom and decay and death, but then face it with at least a degree of dignity and defiance. Then papa nurgle will give you hope and help you stay strong to meet your fate.


At least that's how I understood it.


If you're talking about mutation, that's Tzeentch, which is for people who don't want to accept their fate and seeks to change it.


Which is why Tzeentch is a greater power whilst Nurgle is a lesser power, because obviously you'll find more of the latter kind (people who just want to avoid death and sickness altogether) than the first kind.


However I thought it made absolutely no sense that Khorne should be greater than Slannesh, because more people should want hedonism and pleasure than just the thrill of battle. I mean within fantasy it made a bit of sense because we're talking about bloodthirsty viking/hun equivalents, but then in 40k why would random blood cults pop up amongst average imperial citizens?

Of course one explanation of the relative rarity of Slannesh is that Slannesh cults usually happens within the upper class, who have time to waste on huge drug induced orgies and dabbles in stuff like that. So obviously there'd be less of them, cos say on a hive world, you might have 1,000 nobles and merchant princes who have the spare time to have massive orgies, whilst 100,000 angry mutants and howling for blood at the system that oppresses them.
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Old 27 Mar 2007, 11:59   #8 (permalink)
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I have, somewhere, the ultimate description of Nurgle. If I get the chance, I'll dig it out and recite it. For now, you'll have to make do with my approximation.


Nurgle is the most powerful of the Chaos Gods. Long after all men's minds have rotted to mulch, and Tzeench's power with it, long after Slaneesh has no more minions to perform hir perversions, long after Khorne's minions have slaughtered each other into oblivion, there will always be Nurgle.


Nurgle is often portrayed as the God of Decay, but he is not. Nurgle is the god of defiance. All things Rot. In time, the mightiest of cities shall be buried under the dirt and sand of millennia, the peoples consumed by worms, maggots and bacteria, which in turn shall meet their own corpulent demise. Left to its own devices, the universe will eventually destroy and defile all things of its own accord.

Nurgle gains power from this, not from the act of decay, but the defiance of decay. Mankind builts cities, populates the world, fills the galaxy with our creations and defies time and fate by believing the end will never come. We walk through the ruins of millennia past and never believe that in ten thousand years we will share their fate. Nurgle grows fat on the belief that the inevitable is somehow inescapable; that man will not die.


Nurgle is integral to 40K. Indeed, Nurgle is integral to all things, for ultimately all things are Nurgle; the defiance of time and fate. All things must die, save Nurgle.
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Old 27 Mar 2007, 12:09   #9 (permalink)
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Well said Wargammer. Death is what Nurgle is. Everything comes down to death. The minions of the blood god will bring death upon each other. The minions of Slaneesh will, well, pervert themselves to death. The Minions of Tzeentch figuratively are dead. Everyone must die. Everything must be unraveled. It is only a matter of time....
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Old 27 Mar 2007, 12:16   #10 (permalink)
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Which is of course, why Tzeentch and Nurgle are mortal enemies.


Because a believer of Tzeentch will believe in avoiding his inescapable fate through his powers.



I still like Tzeentch better tho, better sense of fashion, cos:

Tzeentch: Hair Metal
Nurgle: Grunge

Which of course implies that Nurgle kills Tzeentch...which was NOT what I wished to imply.

But is it also not true that Nurgle has like, one of the lowest number of followers amongst the 4 major powers?
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