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Old 09 Jan 2007, 07:25   #21 (permalink)
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Aluminium is not a valid comparisson, because the American version is just flat-out wrong.
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Old 09 Jan 2007, 07:40   #22 (permalink)
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whoo hay!!! I agree

on the Macragge thing - most commonly "Ma-Craig" (I think its funny seeing as Craig is my name), but when I first heard about it I did discover some most diverse pronunciations; "Mac-Raag-y" (like in Prague)
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Well, Maccrage... let&#39;s try and do it rationally.

Personally, I always say "ma Krag", though I doubt this is correct.


Firstly, the "Mac" part is pronounced, well, Mac. This is a common prefix in Scottish Names, so we know how that works.

Now, going by rules of the English Language, it has a hard A sound in the middle, meaning "Craig" pronounciation. Thus, "MacCraig" is the most likely pronounciation to be correct.
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Ma-Craggy.
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"Ma krag" &#39;cause its easiest to say
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Old 10 Jan 2007, 19:17   #26 (permalink)
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Well I&#39;m not a massive expert, but the word as it stands is to be pronounced phonically as

Mak-Rage (with a stress on the &#39;a&#39

Ma-crage is the closest I&#39;ve seen yet...

However the pronunciation of
Ma-krag
Ma-Craggy
Ma-Craig
Mac-rod-ge
Mac-Craag
Mac-Crai-gh
Ma-craw-gay

Are all poor. Come on guys there are levels of the English language. No offence, but to me these are just plain poor.

Maccrage is a three symbol word. Mac, cra, and rage. But this does not mean it is pronounced Mak-ka-rage because of the double &#39;C&#39; this has the effect of stressing the next vowel following it (in the English language). So it comes out as Mak-Rage. With the main stress on the final symbol rather than the centre one. The double &#39;C&#39; is soft and so is not part of the pronunciation.

mac-reg I want to know what happened to the &#39;e&#39; here?
ma-car-ge What does &#39;ge&#39; sound like? &#39;J&#39; Ma-car-j?
Mac-ca-ridge Where is the &#39;d&#39; and &#39;ca&#39; sound in Maccrage? (there is an &#39;r&#39; for a reason)
ma-crag. Ma crag? I want to know what happened to the &#39;e&#39; here?

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EDIT: "Aluminium is not a valid comparisson, because the American version is just flat-out wrong." True A-Loo-Min-Um is wrong, A-Loo yes, but Min-um? its Min-i-um or Min-e-um. Hence Al-u-min-i-um.

""Craig" pronounciation" Err where is the &#39;e&#39;? and where do you get the &#39;G&#39; and &#39;Y&#39; sound out of &#39;rage&#39;?

Tyranids I&#39;m sure that this is Tie-ran-id-s.
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Are all poor. Come on guys there are levels of the English language. No offence, but to me these are just plain poor.
I do take some offense to that. There are levels to the English language that you seem to be ignoring. For instance, "Bragge" and "Cragge" are both recognized surnames normally sounding like "brag" and "crag", respectively. With a single consonant, the sound in "rage" is long. With two consonants, as in "ragge", it can sound like "rag" or even "radge". Broken down, it was a two-consonant component voiced like ra-guh, as there were few if any silent characters in Middle English. There is a transition from the Old English Ragg to the Middle English Ragge and then on to the modern Rag. Ragge did not become Rage.

edit: You may just not be using the correct spelling. The name of the Ultramarine homeworld is spelled Macragge, not Maccrage as the original post indicated.

Tyranids can be either. "Tyrant" and "Tyranny" share the same roots, but are pronounced differently most of the time. "Tyranids" could really come from either.
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Too true. Could a mod possibly modify the title of this topic to prevent further confusion?
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Well I&#39;m not a massive expert, but the word as it stands is to be pronounced phonically as

Mak-Rage (with a stress on the &#39;a&#39

Ma-crage is the closest I&#39;ve seen yet...

However the pronunciation of*
Ma-krag
Ma-Craggy
Ma-Craig
Mac-rod-ge
Mac-Craag
Mac-Crai-gh
Ma-craw-gay

Are all poor. Come on guys there are levels of the English language. No offence, but to me these are just plain poor.

Maccrage is a three symbol word. Mac, cra, and rage. But this does not mean it is pronounced Mak-ka-rage because of the double &#39;C&#39; this has the effect of stressing the next vowel following it (in the English language). So it comes out as Mak-Rage. With the main stress on the final symbol rather than the centre one. The double &#39;C&#39; is soft and so is not part of the pronunciation.

mac-reg* *I want to know what happened to the &#39;e&#39; here?
ma-car-ge* *What does &#39;ge&#39; sound like? &#39;J&#39; Ma-car-j?
Mac-ca-ridge* *Where is the &#39;d&#39;* and &#39;ca&#39; sound in Maccrage? (there is an &#39;r&#39; for a reason)
ma-crag.* *Ma crag? I want to know what happened to the &#39;e&#39; here?

EDIT: "Aluminium is not a valid comparisson, because the American version is just flat-out wrong." True A-Loo-Min-Um is wrong, A-Loo yes, but Min-um? its Min-i-um or Min-e-um. Hence Al-u-min-i-um.

""Craig" pronounciation" Err where is the &#39;e&#39;? and where do you get the &#39;G&#39; and &#39;Y&#39; sound out of &#39;rage&#39;?
I seem to believe that this was intended to be a friendly thread, with the purpose of people sharing their different styles of pronunciation of a word, so that people can take a stab at how the word was intended to be pronounced, and the factor of "hey-I-never-thought-about-it-that-way-and-now-that-you-think-about-it-that-does-sound-like-the-way-it-should-be-pronounced" involved. And if it wasn&#39;t spelt the way your common sense seems to lead you, it wouldn&#39;t be the only abnormality in the English Language.

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However the pronunciation of*
Ma-krag
Ma-Craggy
Ma-Craig
Mac-rod-ge
Mac-Craag
Mac-Crai-gh
Ma-craw-gay

Are all poor.
come on man if this really is your opinion surely you could have used some different words to express yourself in a nicer way. Seeing as you have such a large grasp of the language I am sure you could have found some :

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I do apologise to Khanaris and Shas O Dalyth who do seem to have taken offense.

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""hey-I-never-thought-about-it-that-way-and-now-that-you-think-about-it-that-does-sound-like-the-way-it-should-be-pronounced" involved. And if it wasn&#39;t spelt the way your common sense seems to lead you, it wouldn&#39;t be the only abnormality in the English Language."
Indeed point taken.

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"The name of the Ultramarine homeworld is spelled Macragge, not Maccrage as the original post indicated."
Well that cleans up why I thought some of the pronunciations were odd if not stupid. I never checked if it was the correct spelling I assumed it to be.

Still with Macragge I would pronounce it Mak-Cra-guh With a stress on the &#39;A&#39; and with the &#39;guh&#39; sound.

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"For instance, "Bragge" and "Cragge" are both recognized surnames normally sounding like "brag" and "crag", respectively. With a single consonant, the sound in "rage" is long. With two consonants, as in "ragge", it can sound like "rag" or even "radge". Broken down, it was a two-consonant component voiced like ra-guh, as there were few if any silent characters in Middle English. There is a transition from the Old English Ragg to the Middle English Ragge and then on to the modern Rag. Ragge did not become Rage."
Well I did say I wasn&#39;t an expert, I have never looked at old languages. However I never ignored any levels of English language because "Maccrage" as the question asks doesn&#39;t have a double &#39;gg&#39; You may be referring to the lack of an &#39;e&#39; in my earlier post. But in &#39;Bragge&#39; and &#39;Cragge&#39; The &#39;e&#39; is being used in conjunction with the &#39;g&#39; to create the &#39;guh&#39; sound as you pointed out. In both cases the double consternate is soft, creating a rolling sound rather than being pronounced independently. &#39;ge&#39; makes a sound like the &#39;J&#39; &#39;gge&#39; makes the &#39;guh&#39; sound. Thus rage and ragge, rage pronounces the &#39;J&#39; sound on the end and ragge pronounces a &#39;guh&#39; sound on the end.

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Hey, I stated what I though, and I did say it was my opinion.

Sorry for annoying some of you,
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