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Old 22 Nov 2006, 23:15   #1 (permalink)
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Default A few Tau questions.

Hey, i've got a few random questions about the Tau. Hopefully these could be answered, i've been wondering about them for a while. ;D

- The well known progression in ranks is Fire Warrior --> Crisis Team --> Bodyguard --> Commander. But what's the career path for Stealth Suits, and how are the Shas'la chosen for it? Or perhaps Pathfinders are the ones that go into the Stealth Suits? Also, how are Tau chosen to drive in tanks, and what's their progression?

- What's the rank of the Ethereals that are on the battlefield? I highly doubt they're Aun'el or Aun'o, since the Tau don't seem to care much about their survivability. :P

- What do the Tau call the Kroot, if anything at all? I want to give names to my Kroot squads.
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Old 22 Nov 2006, 23:28   #2 (permalink)
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1. Not sure, but it seems logical that its pathfinders
2. Aun'vre, or Aun'ui
3 Probably some variation of gue'vesa.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 01:48   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: A few Tau questions.

1) My knowledge of Tau is limited, but I think that Shas'ui can either go into the Stealth Teams or into the Crisis Teams, depending either on personal preference or what they excell at. Same thing goes for Pathfinders, a Shas'la would have a choice of either entering the Fire Warriors or the Pathfinders.

2) Hmm, Aun'la is probably too low to actually see combat, so I'd agree with edraik with them being either Aun'vre or Aun'ui.

3) Not too sure.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 10:37   #4 (permalink)
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- The well known progression in ranks is Fire Warrior --> Crisis Team --> Bodyguard --> Commander. But what's the career path for Stealth Suits, and how are the Shas'la chosen for it? Or perhaps Pathfinders are the ones that go into the Stealth Suits? Also, how are Tau chosen to drive in tanks, and what's their progression?
I don't know if it's a 'career path' as such as a classification system. Imagine, for instance, having the 'perfect' soldier. His career path is already laid down for him, he's a Shas'la forever. But he's damn good at it, he'll factor into training, he'll be the grizzly guy that makes every kill in the team.

Broadside and Stealth Pilots along with Pathfinders probably stem at least in part from Shas'la teams and members who display specific skills. A Shas'la who is expert in directing his weapon against vehicular targets may well be asked, after his first TBF, to move onto the Broadside program. From there he could become a squad leader, a Shas'vre, maybe even taking impromptu command of a Cadre one day. Then he'd be transferred back to Crisis or other experimental suit to lead a Cadre. Given his skills, it may be a Cadre particularly skilled in deployment around broadsides.

However, equally, he may simply be an excellent broadside pilot, and stays as a Broadside pilot for the rest of his days.

Pathfinders could go from Shas'la to PF to Stealth, or perhaps it's possible that certain Stealth Shas'ui are moved back or across to PF when it is clear their skills have developed better in other areas. Indeed, some may find themselves working 'alone' so well that they are moved directly to the Drone Controller Corps.

An entire Shas'la team may quite likely find themselves all promoted to Shas'ui on the same Trial By Fire(TBF). They could be an exceptionally skilled team in 'operating alone', having had experience being cut of from the Cadre not only for hours, but days and weeks! Such experience'd make them ideal for induction into Stealth Suits...

Generally though, the Tau seem a practical race. Wherever you'll work best is where you'll end up, I suspect. If you're not cut out for commanding anyone but yourself, the worst you'll end up as is a Crisis Mon'at pilot or part of a Battlesuit team. It's not like they'd purposefully put you in command if a Cadre unless there was completely no other way.

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- What's the rank of the Ethereals that are on the battlefield? I highly doubt they're Aun'el or Aun'o, since the Tau don't seem to care much about their survivability. :P
I always supected Aun'vre. Aun'la and Aun'ui, to me, are the kind of 'roving preachers' or ones that hold little centres and 'parishes' or diocese in various places around the Empire, they're the 'unnoticed' and 'unannounced' onces, there's no need to worry about them. The Aun'O and Aun'El strike me as largely the 'masterminds' of the Empire, they deal with Shan'al operations, Sept-wide duties and mediating committees that deal with the Empire as a whole. The Aun'vre, on the other hand, seem like the kind who could easily be doing 'tours' of the Empire, becoming rousing personal-speakers (or even after-dinner speakers!), who tour the various Cadres, doing day to day visits, travelling around doing quite 'official' and well known things but without being too bogged down in the more serious and overarching policies of the Empire.

That said: it could be an Aun'el, it could be Aun'ui, could be an Aun'o, or an Aun'la. My main thing about the Aun is that it's not their stats that are dependent on 'rank', but what they do in the Empire. So the Aun Stats just represent any Aun who has purpose being on a battlefield rather than a strict 'Aun'la'.

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- What do the Tau call the Kroot, if anything at all? I want to give names to my Kroot squads.
I don't know, they won't tell us! :
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In the previous Codex, I'm quite sure the Ethereal was an "Aun'El".

I see no reason for this to have changed, personally.
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1: I imagine its a simple matter of battle records for each individual Firewarrior. At entry level, a Firewarrior recruit opts for either a Shas'La Firewarrior (basic Rifleman), or a Shas'La Pathfinder (a mobile infantry/support branch of basic trooper). I imagine that the Firewarrior is the Grunt position open to any Forrest Gump that show up, while Pathfinders may collect the recruits with a bit more aptitude/promise/... uh... brains. :

From there they function in campaigns, battles, etc.. (maybe even intense wargames), and their specific skills sets are determined from an early stage... this will later factor into what branch they move to. But in the meantime, the ones that show leadership ability, or the ability to inspire or generally kick butt.. will be promoted to Shas'ui. Like a Seargent... we all figured that part out.

Now, all the Shas'ui's, when they get enough experience 'points' accrued, they get promoted out of 'Rifleman' and are moved to ether Crisis, Stealth, or Broadsides.. based purely from their combat record: The ones that seemed to always be the sole survivor become Stealths, the ones with great fire discipline become Broadsides, etc... Thats how I believe the Shas advance through the suits...

.. or alternatively (man I hate when I hash out a whole system, only to come up with another one when I'm done!), All Firewarriors get promoted to Crisis, and some Crisis shift over to Broadsides on a case by case basis... while Stealth Teams come from Pathfinders. Apparently, the pathfinder path ends there, while Crisis and broadside teams can elevate to Shas'Vre's and, if they have the right connections.. Bodyguards.


2: I always thought all Ethereals on the battlefield were labled 'Aun'Va'.. and were advisors to the Shas'O's in an entire Cadre... It was stated that every Shas'O has an Aun accompanying him.. and their presence on the battlefield is like the special appearance of the super higher ups on the battlefield (like chapter masters leading a mere pair of tactical squads), representing, I dunno, a BIG DEAL scenario kind of situation.

3: Kroot.. if I recall, and I'm pretty sure of it, are called something special... the translation is "Trusted Helper".. so it would have to be [something] Vesa.. I'll go look it up and fill in the blank later.

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2: I always thought all Ethereals on the battlefield were labled 'Aun'Va'.. and were advisors to the Shas'O's in an entire Cadre... It was stated that every Shas'O has an Aun accompanying him.. and their presence on the battlefield is like the special appearance of the super higher ups on the battlefield (like chapter masters leading a mere pair of tactical squads), representing, I dunno, a BIG DEAL scenario kind of situation.
Aun'va is a very specific Ethereal, whom you may know as the Space Pope.
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Some interesting ideas but there does not seem to be any "points" system. The Trials by Fire determine who advances and who well... does not. From there I would imagine the Shas personally chose which path. The dedication to the greater good would prompt them to go to a branch that fits their combat methods and skills. The Tau probably dont have any ego complex that would make them want to rise all the way to the top no matter what. They do what they are suited for.

For some thats staying as a line warrior to lead the Firewarriors or Pathfinders. For others its advancing to Crisis Teams, Stealth Teams or Broadside Teams. I would imagine that during the initial training from shas'saal to shas'la the Firewarriors are either organized into Firewarrior or Pathfinder teams based on their records from training. From there its possible the decision is made for them if/when they advance but like I said it could also be a matter of choice.

As for the Aun there is no real way to tell, it could be anything and probably is all ranks. I doubt every single one would be an Aun'el considering just how far the Tau go to protect Aun of such ranks but some probably are. Since the stats are all the same and its just "Aun" I imagine its up to the individual fluff for each one what rank they are. For instance you could say the Etherial in your cadre is an Aun'la you are escorting who during the fighting gets promoted to Aun'ui and attatched to your Cadre and then latter advances to Aun'vre, Aun'el and finally Aun'O as you fight more battles etc. Its just like GW to leave such a thing open.

As for Kroot names Im not sure. There are some in the book For the Emperor but not many and sadly I dont have the book with me. I dont think Firewarrior had any Kroot names but I also think there were some names mentioned in Rogue Star.
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I beleive it goes like this:

basic training

choose either Pathfinder or Firewarrior

become Shas'ui team leader for chosen squad

PF Shas'ui become Stealthteam, and FW Shas'ui become either XV8, or XV88

Then Shas'vre for chosen type

Then XV8 become bodyguards (i don't know about other battlesuit pilots)

and eventually Commander
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Old 24 Nov 2006, 04:10   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: A few Tau questions.

Thanks everyone! Those were some pretty detailed reponses. ;D

So if what i'm reading is true, Tau progress like this?

Entry-level cadet
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Fire Warrior Pathfinder
/ \ \
XV 8 XV88 XV25
/ \ \
Bodyguard ? ?
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Commander

Of course, some would also remain where they are, and others might go into more specialized field roles, like tank drivers or medics.

As for the Ethereal ranks, thanks for that too, now I know what to name one when I get one (will use one in an alternate list).

And GW has never declared what the Tau call the Kroot? I mean, even the Vespids, who aren't that integrated into the fluff yet, get Tau names, while the Kroot.. well.. don't. Oh well. I guess i'll use a variation of gue'vesa or such.

Yet again, thanks. ;D
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