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Old 14 Oct 2006, 00:35   #1 (permalink)
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Default hey all just wondering bout a couple of things

what titans do necrons have?

is the dragon ctan on mars?

wont the necrons die eventually because theres a limited number? or do the ctan make more, if so how?

are the ctan the most powerful gods at the moment? or do the chaos god or some other gods have more power?

thats all for now thanks alot i am v confused bout these things ???
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Old 14 Oct 2006, 16:03   #2 (permalink)
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what titans do necrons have?
Necrons do not have anything close to a Titan. They just don't make them.

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wont the necrons die eventually because theres a limited number? or do the ctan make more, if so how?
When Necrons are struck down on the battlefield they lie there for however long it takes for the battle to turn towards one side's favour. Either way, the alive, and defeated Necrons will be teleported back to their ancient tombs for repair.

In this way, if these tombs are not destroyed, Necrons can technically just come back, and fight more after battle. The only death I see for Necrons is to be completely exterminated (Necrontyr artefact's, and Necrons as a whole), or for them to rust after many millenia of servitude to the C'tan.

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are the ctan the most powerful gods at the moment? or do the chaos god or some other gods have more power?
The Chaos Gods are the most powerful at this moment, I do believe. C'tan are at a state of reality, they have been seen, and their power is sometimes used on battlefields, Chaos Gods on the other hand never leave their throne. And the reason for this is that they are just too powerful. And lazy. In fluff terms they just like to control their armies from their throne, but in game terms, they are just too powerful to be used.

Also, in an elemental way, the Chaos Gods are undefeated. With the common threat of heresy, more and more stray Imperialists are waiting for something to take hold of their lives, and let them do something. This is where Chaos Gods come in. They gift these heretics with Chaotic powers of psychic energies (for those of these heretics that are psychic), and basic mutations. Then they send them into the rest of their armies, and attempt Chaotic raids and a chance at total domination over their pure brothers the Adeptus Astartes.
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is the dragon ctan on mars?
Well one question missed. There is plenty of speculation about the dragon. Some claim him to be the machine spirit, while other simply dismiss him and deem him "not found" or undiscovered. Whatever works for you is alright but note there will be people who will be ready to rip your idea apart. Either way and what not.
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What titans do necrons have?

They do not have any, they just see no reason.

Is the dragon ctan on mars?

Doesn't he feed off of the Necrontyr's star?

Wont the necrons die eventually because theres a limited number? or do the ctan make more, if so how?

They just phase back to their tomb-worlds for repair, in a sense, they can never die.

Are the ctan the most powerful gods at the moment? or do the chaos god or some other gods have more power?

The assorted Chaos gods took that position after the Emperor was crippled in body.
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Its hard to really compare the C'tan and Chaos powers. They are total opposites of each other. The C'tan are most powerful in the physical realms, I would even go so far as to not even call them Gods. They have a lot of power, yes, but they are still creatures of physical energy, and the Warp is deadly to them.

The Chaos Gods are on another level altogether, they only have the ability to send small versions of themselves into the physical world for short periods of time, and then only when the barrier between real-space and the Warp has been weakened by something or someone in real-space. They hate Necrons because they are all Psychic Blanks.


I'm not even going to bother with the other questions...
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what titans do necrons have?
They don't have any 'Titans' as such. They do, however, have a thing currently known as an Abbatoir which can quite literally eat a Titan for breakfast.

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are the ctan the most powerful gods at the moment? or do the chaos god or some other gods have more power?
That is not how gods work. C'tan are essentially the archetypal 'Most Powerful Beings' gods, whilst the Chaos Gods are a product of the societies that form them (hence a murderous society would be subject to Khorne, The Blood God).

Materialistically: C'tan are the most powerful
Metaphysically: ???
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what titans do necrons have?
While not Titans in the strictest sense, the super heavy Necron warmachines include the pylon, a titan killer, immobile AA Particle Whip, the Abbatoir as mentiond by Xisor, and the Aeonic Orb, which is a vehicle roughly containing a sun, which can unleash the solar energies against the enemies.

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is the dragon ctan on mars?
As said, this is very ambiguous (for a reason), so basically, if you want him to be, then he is!

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wont the necrons die eventually because theres a limited number? or do the ctan make more, if so how?
No, as aside from complete obliteration, the damaged necron will still phase back to stasis. Short of detroying it at the molecular level, it can self, or tomb repair. They cannot make more, as the necrons are only made from the necrontyr - all now become necrons, so there is no such thing as an eldar-necron for example.


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are the ctan the most powerful gods at the moment? or do the chaos god or some other gods have more power?
The Ctan are not gods, they are immensly powerful beings from the dawn of time. Think Ori, from stargate.


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what titans do necrons have?
They have two, the Abattoir and the Aeonic Orb.

The Abattoir is basically a mobile Tomb, complete with multiple Gauss Flux Arcs, and giant mechadendrites to snatch up and "process" its victims.

The Aeonic Orb is an ancient, and extremely rare engine of destruction. It is built using the heart of a star, and as such has unequalled power on the field. It is, without exception, the most powerful War Machine in the 41st Millennium. However, they are all but non-existant now.

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It is not confirmed, but it is wildely believed that Dragon sleeps beneath Mars.

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wont the necrons die eventually because theres a limited number? or do the ctan make more, if so how?
The Necrontyr will eventually die out, yes. The Deathwatch have already destroyed at least one Tomb.

However, the Pariah is an example of the "New Men" that the Deceiver is forging, and as such the C'tan are unlikely to run out of servants entirely...

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are the ctan the most powerful gods at the moment? or do the chaos god or some other gods have more power?
The C'tan are no more "gods" than you are. They are beings of the Material Realm, and cannot survive in the Warp (the realm of "Gods"). As such, they do not have the kind of powers that the Chaos Gods, or indeed any Gods do.
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are the ctan the most powerful gods at the moment? or do the chaos god or some other gods have more power?
The C'tan are no more "gods" than you are. They are beings of the Material Realm, and cannot survive in the Warp (the realm of "Gods"). As such, they do not have the kind of powers that the Chaos Gods, or indeed any Gods do.
They are no more "Gods" than us but they are "god-like" in comparison and whilst they don't have the powers that gods do they do have their own powers, and are the masters of the material universe


Gods do not generally need to indulge in eating, but the C'tan "feed" on energy, it is possible to kill them, but only psycic attacks can do so
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I've never heard of the Aonic Orb- where can it be found?
Additionally, the Necrons have been hinted at having a number of 'titan' esq weapons including an enourmouse Tomb Spider (Medusa) and the explanation that the Necrons we see now are nothing compared to what was once awakened and used in the War in Heaven.

The C'tan are gods of reality in the fact that they control the Laws of Physics- but they do not break them. Chaos Gods break them and the realm they inhabit defies physics, as a result the warp is anathema to the C'tan and is the only way to fight them. Don't think of the Chaos Gods though as being able to 'fight' anything as they are vast intelligences that influence the universe- there will never be a Khorn model for example.
It should be stated that no C'tan has ever been killed by non-C'tan.

The majority of belief in 40k states the Dragon is asleep on Mars due to a number of allusions since the Gothic War. It represents a three way split in the Adeptus, those that worship what they believe is the Machine God, those that believe that the Emperor was the messiah of the Machine god (dwindling), and finally those that believe in the heresy of using chaos.

It should be stated that there are innumberable tombs and so no- the Necrons will never really die out as they are immortal- their remains get teleported to tombs where they are reborn and destroying one of these is often impossible (in every sense of the word) and are instead buried and 'watched over' by the Death Watch. But yes, there is a finite number of necrons.
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