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Old 13 May 2008, 11:33   #1 (permalink)
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Hi,some of you may of noticed my post about starting Dragon Warriors in the forces of chaos section.After much research i could only find a tiny part of information regrading the warband.Wargamer suggested i could write my own fluff,something I've never done in great detail.I have a basic story line and wondering if anyone can help me expand on this.Oh and if you wonder why not much stuff has names i suck at making up names:P

They first hailed from a small planet(unnamed) near the Salamander homeworld/fortress Nocturne.This planet was mostly barren with volcanoes spread throughout the world.A few dragons inhabited this world and were seen as sacred animals.The people hear worshipped these creatures(kind of like Egyptians with cats)and would not let any outsider touch or harm these animals.Some salamander company's often stopped here and used it as a battle post.The leader of these people then was talked to by a chaos god saying that the salamanders were only here to harm the dragons and had to be stopped before it was to late..As the chapter slept the people killed them all brutishly and stole there armour and implanted themselves with geneseeds.They were then told if they were to stop anyother attackers they would have to go burning everthing that opposes them just a dragon would do to it's enemy's.They gods opened a warp gate and soon the world became a warp spawned world with dragon like daemons prowling around.The god appointed Draken 'Firebreath' the leader and converted the salamander ship in to there base of operations and renamed it 'Dragons Fury'.They now lead a burning crusade against the Imperium of Man.

Any C&C is welcome and any advice to expand the story would be greatly appreciated

P.S this may be in the wrong board i am not sure ???
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Old 13 May 2008, 11:47   #2 (permalink)
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As the chapter slept the people killed them all brutishly and stole there armour and implanted themselves with geneseeds.
Oh. Good. Lord. No.

I'm the first to say it. There will be others. Brace yourself.

Until then, it's not a bad pitch. Basically have a Salamanders successor chapter from this planet you speak of. I like the Egyptian thing - I know it's just the style of treating a specific animal with worship and high esteem but you could progress it further to the planet's buildings being like Egyptian architecture and giving your warriors Egyptian style blades to go with all the Dragon imagery.

You say "A Chaos God" and this says to me (along with the idea of people killing a company of Space Marines in their sleep) that you don't actually know much about the background of 40k.

There are four Chaos Gods.

Khorne - war and bloodshed. Brutal and killy.
Slaanesh - pain and pleasure, sometimes called the god of porn (by us, not in the game :P). All about excess.
Tzeentch - the Changer of the Ways. A sorcerer's god, about magic and knowledge.
Nurgle - decay and despair, the god of disease.

There are some lesser "Gods" but you really don't need to worry about them. And you don't even need to affiliate yourself with a Chaos God - the new book is designed for renegade Space Marine chapters as well as those who fight for Chaos so it's up to you.

I could go on, but I'll let someone else take the field as my elbow is getting sore (lying sideways on the carpet).
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Old 13 May 2008, 12:00   #3 (permalink)
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As the chapter slept the people killed them all brutishly and stole there armour and implanted themselves with geneseeds.
Oh. Good. Lord. No.
Seconded. Probably a good idea to get to know more about the background first before attempting to write your own...
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Old 13 May 2008, 12:28   #4 (permalink)
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I did know about the chaos gods,who doesn't but i didn't know which one to write as i didn't know which one would suit the theme the best.But i didnt know loads about the geenseeds.The most i know is it enhances them and makes them spit acid and the likes.

Ill go with the successor chapter and have them turn to chaos and ill try to tie in the Egyptian theme with the dragons.And if your wondering these guys are actually in the chaos book but theres only a paint scheme(you probally already knew this)I think Ive made a mistake as i said they worship the dragons but i want to model them with dragon pelts etc how could i tie this in?
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Old 13 May 2008, 14:02   #5 (permalink)
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I did know about the chaos gods,who doesn't
Who doesn't know about Chaos Gods? Perhaps someone who thinks that a group of normal people can butcher a company of Space Marines while they sleep and simply take their armour... this isn't the place to discuss the genesis of a Space Marine, but they are a hell of a lot more than people in power armour, and the geneseed is only one augmentation they receive, and compared to the others it doesn't actually do that much. The spit acid thing is called the Betcher's Gland, and it's not compulsory - the Fists don't have it, for example. But ask the SM forum =) there's actually a thread there about it already I think...

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Ill go with the successor chapter and have them turn to chaos and ill try to tie in the Egyptian theme with the dragons.And if your wondering these guys are actually in the chaos book but theres only a paint scheme(you probally already knew this)I think Ive made a mistake as i said they worship the dragons but i want to model them with dragon pelts etc how could i tie this in?
You don't have to tie in a theme I suggest just because I suggest it. Do what you think is cool (unless that's having a company of Marines slaughtered by homo sapiens...).

There's lots of renegade legions in the CSM book - and nearly all of them have little-to-no background, which is a great opportunity for all of us who play renegades.

Just because they worship the dragons doesn't mean that A) the dragons don't die or B) that they won't kill them.

In option A you get around the issue of bloodshed, but if they venerate as well as worship the dragons then you could have (in the same way as both the Salamanders and the Space Wolves) Marines (or the people in the society before the Marines... you just expect the Marines to find a bigger one =P) who are being initiated have to go off and best a dragon to prove their strength. But because they venerate the beasts they must show them the proper honour, and in their death they must wear the hide of the creature to represent them fighting as one, with the strength of a God; very Space-Mariney, and also justifies every single one of your warriors wearing a dragonskin pelt. I think that'd be totally, totally awesome.

If you're up to sculpting it on every Marine =P but scales are one of the easier things to do effectively using Green Stuff, so it should be no worries unless you're a total total GS novice, in which case after you've practised three or four times it'll be no worries
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Old 13 May 2008, 14:10   #6 (permalink)
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ok thanks for clearing things up and hopefully the scales shouldnt be too hard to sclupt.Also better go research alot before my next post
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Old 13 May 2008, 14:55   #7 (permalink)
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That whole slaughter an animal thing is pretty similar to a plenty of other chapters out there (most notably the Space Wolves with wolves and the Spectural Serpents - a Chapter of my own creation). This isn't to say that you can't take the idea and run with it by any means, and yours would be a unique twist in that your chapter worships the animals they are killing. Space Wolves merely do it because the can and it's a sign of respect within the Chapter, whereas the Serpents do it because they the snakes the kill are a major threat to the Imperial colonists on their homeworld and the Astartes are merely keeping the population of 300ft translucent snakes from getting out of hand and threatening the city folk.

Now then, what is unique about your Chapter?

How do you want it to fight?
If you'll pardon me, I'll just go off on a tangent here with some ideas that just came to me - you may or may not want to run with these, it's entirely up to you)
* With flamers perhaps (to breathe fire on their foes - that may even spurn off a few cool conversions, like flamers mounted to the face plates of their helmets, so they could actually breathe fire on their enemies)
* Lightning claws to represent the dragons claws - heck you could even go so far as to rename lightning claws entirely to "dragons claws" and use the same rules
* You could go so far as to rename units in your army, instead of Veterans, you have Dragon Slayers, instead of Command squads, you could have Courts of the Dragon.

You already have your colour scheme, so that part is pretty easy for you.

Does your chapter differ in any way to that of a "Codex Chapter" like the Ultramarines (even that is pretty stupid since the Ultramarines get Tyranid hunters and the like - but thats for a different dicussion)?

Is your chapter currently at full strength, and if not, why (did they just take part in a bloody campaign or are naturally just slow to recruit)?

How do they recruit? Do they take victims from the Imperium and transplant them with geneseed, do they take willing applicants via cults in the Imperium or some other method (cloning perhaps)?
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Old 13 May 2008, 15:27   #8 (permalink)
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I like the ideas you have thought of except of one small problem.These guys are chaos not marines if that's what you mean by chapter, i am not sure.But i think ill go for the idea of flamer masks and dragon claws.I could name my chosen dragon slayers and have my claws dragon claws.That would look so darn cool
Theres another thread of mine in the forces of chaos section if you want look it up.

Well there good at close range firefights with melta/flame(Taken from U.S site)
I would like them to have dragon looking lesser daemons and greater daemons.Coz that would look sweet!
They are a chaos renegade warband and there colour scheme is in Codex:Chaos Space Marines

Thanks for the ideas.Its truly appreciated

P.S I just read up that space marine armour is attached to there exo skeleton or something along that lines.I feel really stupid now
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Henderson, try and clean up your English a little my friend

Chaos Marines come in Chapters too. There's the 9 Traitor Legions but a great deal have turned since the Heresy - sometimes whole new Chapters turn renegade or Chaos (yes, there is a difference).
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Old 13 May 2008, 15:54   #10 (permalink)
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OK,i am quite the noob when it comes to things about chapters etc :-[
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