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Old 23 Jul 2006, 22:10   #1 (permalink)
arguleon-veq
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Default Fire-Power Force - Changes[?] - [1000 Points];

Ok, this is my original list;

[size=12pt]Troops[/size]

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Scouts; 93 Points
2 Sniper Rifles,
Heavy Bolter.

[size=12pt]Fast Attack;[/size]

Land Speeder Tornado; 80 Points

Land Speeder Tornado; 80 Points

[size=12pt]Heavy Support[/size]

Predator; 115 Points
Extra Armour.

[size=12pt]HQ[/size]

Captain; 65 Points
Storm Bolter.

[size=12pt]Elites[/size]

Dreadnought; 110 Points
Extra Armour.

Summary;

31 Infantry,
1 Tank,
1 Walker,
2 Skimmers.

5 Heavy Bolters,
4 Lascannons,
4 Plasma Guns,
3 Assault Cannons.
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That 1000 point list did great in it's first game against a Vet. Iron Warrior player. I dug the list out again yesterday as I've registered it for the Medusa Campaign, things didn't go well at all.

My first game was at 1500 points against an army with roughly;

Approx.170 Point Prince; Walking,
Vindicator; Mutated Hull,
Basilisk; Mutated Hull, Indirect.
Havocs [8]; 4 Autocannons, Tank Hunters, MOCU.
2 Oblits;
2 Oblits;
Marine Squad [6]; Las/Plas, MOCU.
Marine Squad [6]; Las/Plas, MOCU.
Possessed Squad [8]; Rhino - X-Armour, Smoke. Talons, Asp Champ. [He uses these because he wanted a cool half mechanical unit using servo parts and figured he needed a close combat punch].

I had an awful game. A lot was due to my Termies [4] failing to beat 3 Possessed in combat when I charged. My Lascannons couldn't hit anything all game and my formation for my Tac squads, which was designed for mutual support and to stop sweeps into the Tac squads behind etc went really wrong [It worked great in my first game]. Due to Squads lasting longer than I wanted to at times and dying too quickly at others. All in all I made a lot of mistakes and didn't roll great but I felt the list could have been better.

Game - 2:

We drop back down to 1000 points so his list has roughly;

Approx.170 Point Prince; Walking,
Vindicator; Mutated Hull,
Basilisk; Mutated Hull, Indirect.
2 Oblits;
2 Oblits;
Marine Squad [6]; Las/Plas, MOCU.
Marine Squad [6]; Las/Plas, MOCU.

We were playing Cleanse. Pretty much the same thing again. I don't think I rolled a 6 with a single Assault Cannon in 2 games. My Tac squads separated this time but the Vindi and Basi were right on target and were killing 3 Marines a shot [and I was at max unit coherency] and I just couldn't scratch them. Another defeat.

Now this was a pretty big shock to the system seeing as before those 2 games I'd only ever lost 6 games before.

I decide to use my Orks against that 1500 Iron Warrior list and they defeat the Marines pretty easily, my Demol and Battle Wagon providing great cover for my sloggers up some narrow gully with my Truck squad getting into combat early and blocking LOS to much of my force.

: - :

Game - 3; So my mate comes round again today and I have another crack at his IW with my 1000 point Marine list. I use the same list as in this thread again. Another defeat, only just missed out on the draw but a defeat none the less........again.

So I decided to change the list a little to this;

[size=12pt]Troops[/size]

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Marines; 115 Points
Lascannon,
Plasma Gun.

6 Scouts; 93 Points
2 Sniper Rifles,
Heavy Bolter.

[size=12pt]Fast Attack[/size]

Land Speeder Tornado; 80 Points

Land Speeder;65 Points
Multi Melta.

[size=12pt]Heavy Support[/size]

Predator; 115 Points
Extra Armour.

Vindicator; 125 Points

[size=12pt]HQ[/size]

Captain; 65 Points
Storm Bolter.

Seeing as my Assault Cannons had not done anything in the 4 games I'd had them in so far I dropped 2 of them. My Dread had also performed terribly, I totally should have listened to the suggestion to drop it. So I add in a Vindicator and drop 1 Tornado down to a regular MM - Speeder to find the points. That Multi Melta would also add some reliable extra anti-tank punch as I was having a horrible time taking out his 2 tanks [Yes, even with 4 Las and 3 Assault Cannons, I just suck at rolling when it comes to killing tanks].

Game - 4;

Things finally go a lot better, my Vindicator taking out it's enemy counterpart early in the game. My Tac squads [back in my old assault countering formation] worked well at stopping the Prince. My Pred and Tornado whittled down his Marines and my Las Cannons took down most of the Oblits. Not a huge win but a Solid Victory.

Game - 5;

Same lists line up again. Everything comes off this time, in turn 1 my Speeder takes down the Vindicator, a Las takes down the Basilisk. 2 Oblits fall to more Las Cannon fire. The game was pretty much decided in that first turn. A crushing victory.
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So, what do you think on the new list compared to my original?.

Even though it performed much better Iím not sure if it's more balanced [would do better against a wide range of armies than the original]. Plus, in defence of my first days play I did get totally drunk the night before and was feeling a little rough, my mind wasn't totally in the game :P [no excuse for the loss the next day though :].

Which list would you go for?
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