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Old 04 Mar 2006, 05:26   #27 (permalink)
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Default Re: Space Marine Hating

There's two sides of this for me :P

First, there's the statement that I HATE SPACE MARINES;

I hate the fact that Games Workshop never shuts up about them. I know this is reasonable and justified, but that doesn't mean I like it. Think of it as a criminal getting away with murder because of a legal technicality, sure it's okay because it's the law...but that doesn't make it right. There are far too few options for every Xenos race and while the Imperium is the focal point of the game (you can't now say the Imperial Guard and Inquisition aren't unsupported- they have so many variations that it's not funny, they're just not as popular...which is a good thing). I hate that lots of 'sheep' play them. There's nothing wrong with loving an image or an ideal that Space Marines embody, but there's love and then there's fanboyism. They are the biggest fanboy race in the game. People seem to think they should win just because they play Space Marines. They are the 'best' so if they lose in a battle against Xenos, they clearly have been cheated or the Xenos list is broken. This attitude is quite prevalant amongst Marine players and in general, it is the poor gamers and in fact UNDER-ATTENTION Games Workshop gives Xenos in terms of rules updates and models that which lets Marines cop all the flak.

On the other hand, there's the fact that, funnily enough, I LIKE SPACE MARINES;

Space Marines DO have character. You can't deny it. Space Wolves are big drunk vikings in space, Blood Angels are Italian renaissance vampires, Black Templars are crazy Teutonic Knights crusading about the place and so forth. It's hard not to like at least one or two of these groups. I did play a Flesh Tearers army for a very long time and I absolutely adore them. I intend to later even play Deathwatch and Scythes of the Emperor because I think they're badarse. Space Marines ARE easy to paint and cheap to collect. They're also easy to learn and while I don't believe that you should be able to field an army that is set to 'beginner' to give you a bonus when you start out, but really...powergamers exist in all races and if you're crazy like me, you think everyone that plays differently to you is a powegamer. I live with it, so should you. Seriously, Space Marines do have a kewl image but they aren't the ONLY part of 40k...

So overall?

I am glad that I don't play Space Marines anymore. I'm proud I can play armies of all kinds with every possible configuration you can imagine (all-combat footslogger Orks, Imperial Guard cityfighters, crazy Inquisitors, speedy mech Tau etc) and that they are all awesome armies. Guess what? I'd be just as proud of my armies if I played Flesh Tearers still. I love them too. Games Workshop cops a fair bit of flak from me and I believe it deserves it, but I don't HATE Games Workshop, I just miss the good old days and when the company wasn't so ridiculously profit-driven to the extent of isolating gamer groups for the sake of pure revenue from Space Marine sales. This isn't the fault of 'real' Marine players, they are neither arrogant but unskilled nor is it their fault Games Workshop floods their ranks with annoying fanboys.

I don't like Space Marines because I don't play them at the moment.

Space Marines ignore practically every rule in the game and are great at everything, while having specialists that make things even easier to do (ie a unit that kills everything in combat or one that kills everything with shooting or, if that's not good enough, a unit that does BOTH).

The very few talented and experienced Space Marine commanders often hate the masses of other gamers in their category just as much, if not more, than I do.


Games Workshop doesn't support other codices as well as they should. This is the fault of the game system and it will never change forseeably.
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