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Old 26 May 2009, 11:03   #10 (permalink)
Silver
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Default Re: Ogryns - are they worth it?

There was a similar discussion going on at Dakkadakka (not a member there) where the majority totally trashed the Ogryns with various arguments. Here's some of them, to which I have made my statement:

Somebody made the comparison of the ridiculousness of an Orgryn's cost by comparing him to the ability of fielding a Grey Knight Terminator (or regular terminator with lightning claws for the same price).

In range, the terminator is better (1 less strength and 1 less shot, but twice the range and better AP)
In close combat the terminator is better (2-3 attacks either S6 I4 nemesis force weapon or S4 lightning claw or S8 powerfist compared to 3 S5 attacks at initiative 2 which do not ignore armor)
In statline the terminator is better (2+ armor and 5+ invulnerable compared to 5+ armor. Much better initiative - and initiative can mean win or loss in close combat)


...however what I think is relevant is that a single lucky plasma shot can kill a terminator. But you cannot kill an Ogryn with luck - you'll either need an insane amount of firepower or a S10 shot. S10 shots are usually one-shot anti-tank hits (you're tanks are safe if your enemy is using these against your Ogryns) with the exception of the Demolisher Cannon - the Dem cannon is the only thing ogryns have to fear. But that's where the Chimera comes into play

Another guy compared a squad of Ogryns with a huge squad of either Penal Legionnaires or Guardsmen (not sure) and said that the latter two are much more worth their points. But three things bug me here:

1) Template weapons - be it multiple flamers or pie plates, Guardsmen will drop en masse if these are used. Ogryns don't.
2) Mobility - fielding so many troops is going to occupy a lot of table space and getting them all in cover won't be possible. With T3, they'll drop like flies to the most common weapons
3) Painting some Ogryn is nicer than having to wade through the process of 30 unpainted guardsmen which will take weeks.
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